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The Little Kid (Australia) Plays with the Big Bully (USA).
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Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 4 November 2013 10:02:04 AM
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what do you think..'the over the horizon array' really is?
its sure not detecting the boats..yet its listening to everything[bet its even got the nbn cable going past it..to get the info..back home] just like one off the first nbn connections was to the the really big..telescope project..in wa. Posted by one under god, Monday, 4 November 2013 4:10:40 PM
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from 730 report/last night
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3883861.htm What role has Australia had in spying on neighbours? American whistleblower Edward Snowden claims that Australia and the US are are partners in surveillanc of communications throughout Asia. Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 6:13:28 AM
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Dear Paul,
The United States has always been a major ally of this country. We've co-operated with them in many areas - including allowing them to have their operations centres in this country - with the hope that if this country was ever under attack again, or threatened, the US would come to our aid. We mustn't forget that during the war in the Pacific during the 1940s we would have been invaded by Japan if it hadn't been for the US. So in gratitude, Australia has always co-operated with the US. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:34:09 AM
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japan..never wanted to invade australia
no..invasion-force could hold it.. all..the claptrap usa will rescue us..*if is too big an..if..to ever reasonably happen heck..the lines of supply alone..so many bridges now nz..thats different Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:43:09 AM
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Foxy you speak of events of 70 years ago, and fortunately for Australia the interests of the US at that time coincided with our own interests. There is a great deal of truth in what OUG posted. Not withstanding anything you have said, should Australia be eternally grateful for the events of the 1940's. I fail to see how post war a blind faith in the US has worked to our advantage. I believe alignment to the US has been to our detriment during this time, wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq, Afghanistan, have been costly to us in term of Australian lives and Australia's standing in the world, particularly in Asia. in this time what have we gained from the US, other than this perceived umbrella of protection, is it real, or is it imaginary. A key word in your post is "hope" we place a great deal of faith in that little word hope. Lets hope its not unfounded in the future.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 8:20:36 AM
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The SMH, has named a number of Asian cities in which Australian embassies have been used for electronic surveillance by a group of intelligence partners known as the "Five Eyes" - the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The embassies allegedly involved in the spying spree are in Jakarta, Bangkok, Beijing, Hanoi and Kuala Lumpur, among others. The Indonesian foreign minister said it was "not cricket" for Australia to spy on the region along with the US. Relations between Australia and Indonesia have once more become aggravated.
Abbott has refused to comment other than to say that "the thing about every Australian governmental agency is that we all operate in accordance with the law." I’m sure that will satisfy our Asian neighbors.
This action by Australia once more paints us as subservient US lackey. At one time we were seen as the ‘slave’ of the British. Post WWII and our government become the sycophant of US imperialism, in such places as Vietnam, Afghanistan and the Middle East. Australia would swallow all US ‘suggestions’ no matter how ridiculous. After years of pretense that we are a good neighbor to Asia this nonsense comes to light. I had hoped that the “All the way with LBJ.” 1960’s rubbish was a thing of the past, seems not. I wish for a truly independent Australia free from US interference, based on this we have a long way to go to achieve that.