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Babies of indeterminate sex

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"Germany offers gender-neutral option for babies, but advocates say law doesn't go far enough.

Germany has become the first European country to allow babies born with characteristics of both sexes to be registered as neither male nor female.

Earlier this year, Australia became the first country in the world to give three options for gender on all official documents ...."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-02/germany-allows-babies-to-be-neither-boy-or-girl/5065918.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 2 November 2013 4:28:40 PM
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This condition is quite rare Is Mise , so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
I don't think anyone is trying to recognise three genders as such, but rather not to allow Doctors and parents to 'decide' the baby's gender before the child is old enough to show leanings to one or the other gender themselves.

Terrible problems have occurred in the past when children tragically born with sexual characteristics of both genders, have been made to be one gender when they don't feel as though they are that gender.

I guess it must be something like a homosexual being told they aren't gay, when in actual fact , they KNOW who they are...

I think it is all very sad.
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 3 November 2013 1:35:23 AM
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This condition is quite rare
Suseonline,
Yes, we need to put a line in the sand for situations which although they do occur, are so rare that they simply can be dealt with on an individual level without much fanfare by those whose interest is to make mountains out of mole hills.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 3 November 2013 8:41:31 AM
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Suseonline is quite right.
Some tiny part of one percent would cover the number.
And if we say our country has moved to cover the issue what next? what more can we do?
We soon may need to protect the decreasing rights of the majority.
Dreadful situation they find them selves in! being such that no one considers them.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 3 November 2013 11:07:54 AM
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Germany is well-placed to have this option because they don't have a taboo on nudity, so they don't have to build a third set of toilets everywhere for this new category.

I am looking forward to the day when people are not classified or registered by their sexual organs to begin with, when those small differences are considered 'no big deal', thus no one ever cares to modify their body to suit this definition or another.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 8:13:13 AM
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Yuyutsu,
So you don't mind men who loiter around public toilets and are known to accost women entering the same toilets as ladies. Until every individual cubicle is open to a public place such men are a threat to women. Public toilets are frequented by sexual perverts.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 7 November 2013 7:32:19 AM
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Dear Josephus,

Perverts are a general problem and can be found anywhere, not just around toilets. Apparently they tend to stay around certain toilets because these are isolated places, but any other isolated place would do just the same. While Germany does not experience more cases of sexual harassment around toilets (in 2010, 96 cases of rape were reported per 1,000,000 people compared with 286 in Australia), it did introduce female-only car-park spaces in some places.

The problem is complex, but one of the reasons why toilets are often designed as isolated structures is this taboo on nudity. Had there been no gender-based separation, then the average number of people inside a toilet would double and perverts might think twice about following a women into a toilet, because they could possibly face her husband there.

As it stands, if a toilet is isolated and there is nobody else around, then nothing prevents perverts from entering women's toilets even now.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 7 November 2013 11:00:13 AM
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I read something......
“Scientists have somehow missed definitions of gender in human beings,” states Dr. Makarand Fulzele. Insights gained from years of practice as surgeon makes him wonder if indeed we have overlooked facts staring in our face. Nature has a tendency to hide many secrets but at the same time it provides enough clues to unravel its mysteries. Dr. Fulzele picks up loose threads from life to stitch together the theory that man is an extension of woman in his new book, “Man Is the Extension of Woman: Know the Ultimate Truth about Yourself” (published by iUniverse). Dr. Fulzele’s book explores similarities between men and women against the backdrop of their genetic differences, physical variations, and emotional and intellectual dissimilarities. Dr. Fulzele who is a successful surgeon further explains in his book: The main hypothesis I discuss in this book is that, if a woman lives long enough she will be converted into a man physically. A similar thing can also be stated about man. It is wrong to categorize humankind into two genders as it implicates that they are extremely dissimilar and physically opposite to each other. I try to prove that man and woman are just two different stages of one developmental process. And physically they are very similar. The ideas presented may sound unconventional but Dr. Fulzele implores readers to consider his point of view with an open mind. “Your world will not change if you do not agree with me. But if you agree with me, how does it change your world? If more people agree with you and me, how does it change our world? The possibilities are limitless.”
Posted by surgeongirl, Saturday, 9 November 2013 4:15:31 AM
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surgeongirl,
What the DR says is utter rubbish. His definitions of what is male and female are fallacious. Only a man and a woman can procreate. A woman will never become a man that can naturally procreate with another woman. Both man and woman are complementary beings not opposite genders. One completes the other to become a total human being. This is the principle established by natural creation /evolution. "The two shall become one flesh!"
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 9 November 2013 8:44:16 AM
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Gender-less babies are infertile, as girls have all the potential ovum from the time of conception.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 9 November 2013 7:42:24 PM
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