society or culture is only as humane as the way they treat their animals...
Suseonline,
Spot-on,

Minister for animal cruelty
mikk,
Another idiotic quip from mikk. Why don't you go with those animals on those ships ? With a bit of luck you get mistaken for a sheep.

death..is the normal..end..of material living/a stage..life
some die at birth..some before birth..few die of old age
thing is its whether..or not there is cruelty.malice
whether..or..not..it was intended..or of ignorance

and that cant..be known..for sure..[that can only be seen in their heart..or by prior acts..or after/life..stained literally..upon their soul-body..[upon..our astral-soul/form]..we wear/the medals of honor as much-as..the weights..[burden]..of diss-honor

its said..we become..that we love
and those..who love murder..have condemned..only..themselves
and..more importantly..it is said..that judging other..wrongly..is the baddest sin of all.

I would like to see all live exports banned except for breeding stock.

The voyages, for a start, are cruel and anyone who has been in some of the countries mentioned can, if they keep their eyes open, see animal cruelty that would never be tolerated in Australia.

Our export trade in meat was once nearly all in carcasses and we need to get back to that.

Cutting a sheep's throat is not a job for amateurs nor blunt knives and they bleed out just as well if killed before the throat is cut.

lets look..into their soul..via..the beastly..astral-body/form
[why beasts..are beast..and not yet evolved into man]..is mainly as they..dont have..the higher thinking..passion/will..that yearns for better.

the systems..with/which..you are acquainted..and..which/use this expression..state that all/men..have an..'astral-body.'[soul]....
This is..quite wrong.

What may-be..called the..'astral body'..is obtained/by means of fusion,..that is,..by means/o.. terribly..hard inner-work and struggle...as much as by our desires/needs/wants

Man is/not..born with..a soul..[nor is..the beast
which..has basic wants..[water/food sex..etc]...And
only..very few/men..acquire an..'astral body.'.and even fewrer beasts

but..not all beasts..indeed but..very few/have..enough
emotional-baggage/karma..to have earned...a soul..ie..[few/beasts
have..sought..out..awareness..of higher wants/needs desires]..at death..the seek out their last want..and go to meet it

the-next life..consists of infinite passions..to simply-will it..brings you too..it..[if]..so a sheep..that wishes..to run/hide
at death..runs and hides..in time..it MAY*..feel thirst..and find/its immediate presence

in..short..god meets all its..wants
then..gives it its next..[hopefully higher incarnation]

If..it/is re-in/formed..[into new body]..when-that/.body expires
it may..continue/to live..on.as that beast..or revert to..a previous..want..higher-incarnation..is so wanted..or lower..according to our/lusts...wants passion[god needs meet]

after..the death..of/the physical-body,..and it..may-be..born again/in another physical body...This..is 'reincarnation.'..If/it..is not re-born,..

then,..in the course..of time,..that soul-form also dies;once its stains..are cleaned[revealing its inner true soul..[its body..of light...or back to..a material-body form..better able to meet..its wants

thing is all matter..is energy
and like..energy joins together..opposites re-act

the astral/form..or soul..is not..immortal..but it/can live
long after..the death/of..the physical body..."Fusion,..of self/building..the inner unity,[ego]..is obtained..by means of 'friction,'..by the/struggle..between..'yes'..and 'no'..in man.

If..a man..lives without..inner struggle,
if..everything happens..in him..without opposition,
if..he goes..wherever..he is drawn..or wherever..the wind blows, he will remain..such as he is.

But i..f a struggle..begins in him,..and particularly/if..there is a definite-line*..[drive]..in this struggle,..then,..gradually, permanent-traits..begin to form themselves,..he begins to..'crystallize.'..higher energy forms..

[this relates..to matter..denser energy concentrations]

But crystallization..is possible..on a right foundation..and it is possible..on a wrong foundation...'Friction,'..the struggle..between 'yes'..and..'no,'..can..easily take place..on/a wrong..foundation.

For instance,..a fanatical belief..in some/or..other idea,
or..the..'fear of sin,'..[any/fear..any drive/any obsession]..can evoke..a terribly intense/struggle between..'yes'..and..'no,'.and a man..many crystallize..on these/foundations

continues later..here..lol..at..the lamb/isl..thread
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040#175453

slaughter the unborn babies and then have moral outrage about what happens to animals that are not ours. Just a sign of the moral compass of a nation.