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New Marriage laws for the ACT

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Paul1405,
Read the writings of the Essene community and the Dead Sea Scrolls to gain some knowledge of their belief in celibacy. They were under oppression from Rome whom they considered a debauched society and they by contrast believed in living a sanctified stoic life would give them victory over their oppressor.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 25 October 2013 9:26:31 PM
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Paul,

Who's making a comparison between Christianity and vegetarianism? Certainly not me; I only pointed out that most vegetarians eat animal products, I hasten to add that I don't consider their doing so to be at all hypocritical.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 25 October 2013 10:00:22 PM
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Paul Christ taught "Love your enemy" in your view it meant have sex with your enemy. The New Testament uses four Greek words describing different aspects of our English word for now used for love.

Jesus in his teachings on love he uses the word 'agapao' which means to sacrificially give hospitality to another - as love your neighbor as yourself does not mean to have sex with a neighbor.

He uses the word 'phileo' which means as a friend 'love father and mother' does not mean have sex with father and mother.

In his teachings on love he never uses the word 'porvos' which means a man who has sex with another man. By the way the Roman Catholic Church used Latin and not Greek if you think they changed the text.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 25 October 2013 10:01:52 PM
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Josephus "Jesus in his teachings on love he uses the word 'agapao'" and then "In his teachings on love he never uses the word 'porvos'" You cannot be certain about exactly what Jesus said or didn't say. There is no narrative of this Jesus said, who was there taking notes? The earliest of the 4 accepted gospels was written at least 70 years after the demise of Christ. Then the accepted 4 went through a Church sanitising process hundreds of years later. Other accounts of the life of Jesus are so hot, that they have been buried away by the Catholic Church for hundreds of years, never to see the light of day.
Take the "Shroud of Turin", the Church for centuries held it up as the genuine article, the face of Christ no less, after a couple of scientific tests it proved to be a phony 12th century job. What did the church do with it, you would think they would have put it in the trash can where it belongs, no they still let the simple minded bow down to this phony piece of rubbish. Just as a cloth, even a phony one, serves a purpose for the Church so does their revised versions of the Gospels serve their purpose. Unfortunately for some, those that revised the gospels didn't do a 100% job, little bits of truth about early Christian beliefs and practices has slipped through the cracks including their acceptance of free love. Josephus can you accept that some Christians today have a different interpretation of what Christianity means to them than what it means to you, show them tolerance as they show tolerance for you.
Just a side note, a friend of mine got sucked into a Christan sect back in the 70's and he told me the best part of it was their interpretation of "biblical free love" it was full on, being a good heterosexual christian the mate said he joined in at every op and some.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 25 October 2013 10:58:14 PM
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Paul1405,
The catholic pope, Leo I believe, back in 200 when you didn't have to be a catholic to be the "Bishop of Rome" and there was a Pope at either end of the Mediterranean, took out a couple of books from the Bible and added some as well. He produced what we know today as the Douay version.
The original version still exists and for all intents and purposes it is called the King James Version.
So all the Catholic Church did was create something for their own reading and faith.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Saturday, 26 October 2013 12:30:37 AM
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Something as basic as God for the Christians has changed over the centuries. At one time, not so long ago, God was the 'Vengeful God' always at the ready to smite the wrong doer, and God served the purpose of keeping the people in line. Today that vengeful god has been replaced with the 'Loving God' who now is full of forgiveness for the wrong doer. In line with the relatively new loving god the idea of hell has been revised, where once it was an actual place full of fire and brimstone it has now become an abstract state of being, where the wrong doer is now simply punished after death for his sins by the denial of gods love, A concept that less educated and less sophisticated people in the past would have had problems understanding. For some progressive thinking Christians even the devil has gone.
If something as basic as the concept of god changes for Christians over time then it stands to reason that other 'christian truths' would also change over time. The church has the strongest of hands in guiding the acceptable beliefs of the followers.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 26 October 2013 8:36:21 AM
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