Cossomby, "If there are some jobs women shouldn't be in, then there are that are clearly inappropriate for men"

A strawman.

I do not say that there are occupations or jobs that women should be excluded from per se. What I question as you very well realise, is the futility and unintended negative consequences of designing the courses for the horses, so to speak. It is the extremes of feminist PC that are folly.

Maybe you could Google to discover the rather obvious logical flaws in your, "The male behaviour that got the world into the GFA is far more dangerous to us all than the problems if it takes two female Paramedics to lift a patient". It is enough for me to ask if you would accept that flawed rhetoric if it was you waiting for the second ambulance.

Suseonline,

I'm glad that you see the wisdom(?) of my post but aren't you also aware that the gun is not appropriate because the criminal will take it off her and use it against her.

Haven't you read as much by posters who don't believe that potential rape victims should be allowed effective protection?

Is Mise, I doubt the average woman in the community could keep hold of her gun as easily as a well trained policewoman, do you?

I have also read of many instances where criminals have taken guns from male police officers too, so I doubt their gender makes much difference in the heat of the moment.

I am sure they all do their best, just as do all the wonderful men and women fighting the fires in NSW.
None of us are under any illusion that most females are not as strong as most males, but that is not to say that they can't work together very effectively in most jobs.

Suseonline, "A gun shot bullet stops someone just as easily if shot by a male or a female police officer, surely?"

You ask and answer your own questions. You want a total ban on firearms, so you will argue endlessly anyhow, regardless how trivial, frivolous and impossible your challenges might be.

You deliberately avoiding the crux of the matter which is that the threat of the gun, or perhaps a tazer (which has limitations), is likely the woman's only means to handle the situation. She is limited in her capacity to grapple with the offender, who also knows that.

The reality is that offenders already have the drop on police officers attending an incident. The videos I linked to in previous threads - OMG shootings on the Gold Coast - shows that.

Other posters are wasting their time responding to you aren't they? Because your mind is already made up on bans and nothing will convince you otherwise.

To the original topic, no they didn't cause it, but by god did they contribute! As a farmer with a family farm that shares a border with a National Park (that has been burnt out a few years ago) and the daughter of a person that had a small fire on "Black Saturday" I am constantly frustrated and angered at the lack of protection we are able to give our livelihoods and incomes.
Not allowed to put in fire breaks along road side, cut down tress thicker then a certain width, not to mention the "native grasses" and protected animals and tree etc. etc. The roadside weeds cost us thousands spraying out the seeds they spread all over our crops and pastures.
It is in a farmers best interest to look after the land they are farming and whilst I agree we must do more to protect some species of plants, animals and trees I also believe that it needs to be done in a way that is safe to everyone. Not so long ago the best way to stop a fire was at a road where the farmers had put firebreaks both sides, now the roadsides start fires with low cars and sparks from power lines, providing the fire with waist height grass to go wherever it likes.
I'm pretty sure even firebreaks on private property around a house are not allowed

Those who are against people being allowed to defend themselves should consider not asking for help if in a situation of need. we could have a system like we have with blood types. we could have positives & negatives dog tags or bracelets. If you believe people should not be allowed to defend themselves then you wear a negative bracelet so that after you have been stabbed or shot the ambulance officers don't need to take you to a hospital. if you don't like wearing a negative bracelet you could always opt for the word moron to be tatooed on your forehead.