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I am afraid in just the last few words of OTB last post unnecessary words are used to insult a whole section of Australian women folk.
Not reporting it, but it is in my view quite offensive.
I like the way we are moderated.
It is why we have one of this country,s best sites.
Mentioned a few months ago I am a participant in change.org.
It is not a place I visit but one than invites me to play a role in people power things, it will grow.
Not every thing gets my support, but I hope here my hard headed style never lets me slip in to insulting just for fun.
And too that I never forget the man/woman who is always right has not yet been born.
Every now and again on finding my view in the minority I pause and reflect on this.
Are my views on that subject mainstream or not?
In this case is an expressed view, that city house wives who are from the left the reason this country is not asking for us all to have guns?
I offer this to OTB not in friendship but in shock and dismay, do you see Sir after reading your last two posts here why more and more are avoiding you?

In NSW it is an offence to possess Mustard spray, just as it is an offence to possess anything for the purpose of self defence.

Belly,

How would you like to challenge the arguments I put forward? You are pugnacious and rude when it suits you but you wear a very high belt and get all bent out of shape when anyone returns service.

You make it very, very obvious you are completely clueless about weapons and firearms regulations in Australia.

Yet you and others revel in your ignorance and blind, unreasoning bigotry to continually slag the thousands of very respectable, good, law-abiding citizens with the excellent character and lack of criminal history to pass the high hurdle for a firearms.

What about you apologise for that?

So many thousands of those licensed firearms licensed people were previously in the cadet corps, they and others fought for Australia, are people who slave under harsh conditions to provide food for you, or even compete internationally in the very legitimate shooting sports which have a record for safety that even croquet players would be proud of.

Those licensed cgood citizens has the accredited evidence of good character and stability, while their carping critics do not, and in most cases the gutless types who would abuse them and cast unwarranted aspersions about their character hide behind anonymity and a veil of secrecy as is the case for that one or two sly types who are responsible for that nutty gun control site quoted by Foxy. What is that person's reason for secrecy? Could it be the source of funds, lack of members (members are refused) and possible connections with the NSW Greens and shady overseas backers? Is s/he engaged in public employment and using his/her employer's facilities and time for personal purposes? Why the secrecy?

It is you and others like you who should be apologising for deliberately conflating legal, licensed, respectable Australians with those criminals and thugs who are responsible for crime. Yet you, Foxy, the lunar NSW Greens in particular and others like you would defend the criminals. They have rights. You are soft on drug dealing criminals and try to sheet the blame elsewhere as a diversion.

Please apologise!

My editing was poor. Sorry to readers for that.

But honestly, there is very little practical return from constructively criticising the views of the few authoritarian Left bigots with wagons to ride, who shamelessly post the same old, same old, bunkum year in and year out.

Is Mise & onthebeach,
Firstly criminals and would be criminals have no rights except when you attack them.
I have even heard of situations where massive compensation has been awarded to a crim because he tripped over a kids bike in the driveway as he was leaving a break and enter. (duty of care)
Secondly any item that you are carrying that you would not normally carry and it is used to injure, maim or kill an assailant is considered 'Primp Facie' a weapon for the purposes of the relative criminal codes and subject to the reverse onus of proof rules.
Thirdly the argument of unreasonable force defeats itself if there are no witnesses to the action. (Don't leave the witness.criminal alive to testify against you.
Of course when we have to take up arms to defend this country against the invading religious zealots and their fifth column implants it will be the "Gun Crazies" that defend the like to Belly and Foxi and they will do it without recourse to who they are or what they stand for except that they are Australians.
Sad isn't it?