No OTB - I am merely responding to you
at your level. There's no lack of insight on
my part. There's a lack of perception on yours.

>The tender, romantic, and passionate intimacies of men
and women are among the supreme human emotional
experiences. Perhaps no other subject is so universally
celebrated and even idealised in literature, art, and
daily life.<
>..but there is a dark(er) side...<

A beautiful summation, Foxy.

Love is grand, and one may be tempted to feel sympathy for those who not merely don't but actually can't experience it, can't experience the wonder of really profound intimacy - or even genuine affection. However, as a Google search will quickly reveal, there are animals which cannot be tamed, no matter how hard anyone tries, and, in my view, all serial (and some once only) rapists (and murderers) fall squarely into this 'untameable' categorisation - as 'never to be trusted'.

Someone on this thread (and I can't recall the nomme, and am too lazy to search for it) has expressed deep sympathy for the plight of the rapist, suggesting that measures should be taken to induce their enlightenment to the grandeur of living a virtuous life and overcoming 'dark' impulses. However, some animals, and some humans, remain incorrigible, and will unfortunately remain ever so.

Certainly, effort ought be made to 'rehabilitate' any and all offenders, and perhaps 'caging' is not the most conducive setting for such 'treatments', but caging (in restricted company or possibly in isolation) is all one can do with a raging beast if one is to protect others from a 'real and present danger'.
Rehabilitate as hard as you can with those who may truly benefit, and so become worthwhile citizens, but one shouldn't waste time and effort on the 'incorrigible'.

Many serial felons (including sociopaths and psychopaths) appear to be very cunning, appearing quite capable of fooling psychiatrists, psychologists, prison staff and parole boards, and possibly even the police. Other severely handicapped mental patients are locked away, with treatment, solace and medication, though they may present no threat to themselves or others. So, why anyone would want to afford any greater leniency (or sympathy) to proven, hazardous 'vermin' is totally beyond me.

The price of freedom - is eternal vigilance.

Dear Saltpetre,

Thank You for that.

American lawyer David Springer, speaking as a
lawyer stated:

"At all times, vigilance is the price of liberty.
We must remain vigilant because while it might be
us today, it will be some other group down the road
20 years from now. The measure of our society over
history is fidelity to our principles. We must
remind our government and our people to remain
faithful to those principles or otherwise our
society like so many in the past will be swept on the
ash heap of history."

It is interesting that the recommendations of the recent Callinan review in Victoria has been ignored in this thread. Yet it could be the model for other jurisdictions,

<Under Mr Callinan's proposed changes, offenders who have committed intentional crimes of violence which could result in personal injury requiring treatment, or serious sexual crimes, will be find it harder to get parole than other prisoners.

Their applications for parole would be considered by a panel headed by a judge or a retired judge of the County or Supreme Courts which must also contain a psychiatrist and a community member.

Only if this panel is unanimous will the prisoner be considered for parole.

But before the prisoner can be released Mr Callinan recommends that the decision to free the criminal will need to be confirmed by a review panel which can refuse or vary the order.

These offenders will only be granted parole if they can satisfy the parole board that "taking as paramount the safety and protection of the community, to a very high degree of probability that the risk of offending is negligible''.

Mr Callinan has called for offenders who burgle homes to be added to this category of serious criminal because the law "has always regarded" these offences "as having a special tendency to violence by reason of the alarmed response to an intruder by a householder">

[link given previously]

Belly, "OTB seemingly less concerned than most, seems to want to insult women"

What about you now go through my comments in this thread and show specifically where I have in any way discounted the crime of rape?

Like Foxy you are rather free with the hit and run, but you wear a high belt where you yourself are concerned, and are very bent out of shape by any return of service.

Dear OTB,

No. Unlike you the rest of us do not
hit and run but merely point out to you
when you do so consistently in terms that
you would understand.

As for not responding to your discussions.
You reap what you sow old chap.
When you consistently attack - people
don't bother to either read your posts any
more, or take you seriously.

If you want us to change our opinion of you
you can always improve. Although I suspect
that this isn't going to happen any time soon.
You must get some kind of peverse pleasure
from your continued behaviour otherwise you
would at least make an attempt at changing it.

cont'd ...

Dear OTB,

I suspect that you actually enjoy picking on me.

Care to call a truce, and start again?
I'm game if you are.