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The Forum > General Discussion > Climate change is dead, but talk about a bum fight.

Climate change is dead, but talk about a bum fight.

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One thing we all know, but some like to ignore Poirot, it that it was Tim's typically totally wrong predictions that cost Ozzies about 6 billion, yes billion wasted on those mothballed desalination plants. 3 of them mothballed without ever producing a single liter of water for public consumption.

Remember his prediction that drought was now permanent, & rain would never fill our dams again, or is that another of our warmist bull droppings forecasts you prefer to forget? Bet those flooded out because they did not build the planned levies won't forget his unhelpful big noting any time soon.

I really can't understand how the peanut has the hide to show his face in public after that lot. Have you noticed he is still shooting his fool mouth off, & that totally useless mob at the ABC are still hanging on his every word.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 3:25:43 AM
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Warmair said;
we also know that if we were to burn all the fossil fuel which can be
economically extracted the impact on climate would be severe.

Well actually it is in doubt !
The Uppsala University's Global Energy Group has made a study of all
oil, gas and coal resources and found that the quantities available
are not sufficient to produce the amount of CO2 that the IPCC uses in
its models.

http://www.sei-international.org/video-archive/1821

A paper was published on this matter but the AGW proponents just
don't want to know. It is the old story GIGO !
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 7:32:01 AM
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"yes billion wasted on those mothballed desalination plants. 3 of them mothballed without ever producing a single liter of water for public consumption."

Tell that to the west Australians??
Posted by Robert LePage, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 9:56:51 AM
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Oh sorry about that Robert LePage, I got it slightly wrong, it is 4 desal plants mothballed, & the little one in WA doing a little bit, & the waste is more like 8.5 billion. Some people don't know when to keep their fool mouths shut.

Isn't it funny how green twits can ignore the elephant in the room but see the mouse.

What do you reckon Robert, should we charge Tim for our wasted taxes, or KRudd & Julia? It is obvious all 3 were lying for political reasons.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 10:44:46 AM
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The current level of CO2 in the atmosphere is around 395 parts per million
It is calculated that should the level exceed 550 ppm then global temperatures will increase by 2 deg C which would cause dangerous climate change. The 550ppm level will be reached when we pump another 600 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.

There are enough know fossil fuels available to produce 3000 billions tons of CO2

http://climatecommission.gov.au/report/the-critical-decade-2013/

Burning 1 ton of pure carbon produces 3.66 tons of CO2
Coal Total Proved Reserves, Million tonnes 860,938
Natural gas Proved reserves, Trillion cubic meters 187
Oil Proved reserves, Thousand million barrels 1,669

1 barrel of oil typically produces about 300 kg of co2
1000,000,000*1669*300/1000 or about 500 billion tons of CO2

The amount of carbon in coal varies quite a lot but assuming an average figure of 75% carbon
then the CO2 produced by a ton of coal = 3.66*907*0.75= about 2.5 tons of CO2
burning all the coal gives (860938*1000000*2.5)/1000000000= about 2150 billion tons of CO2

Gas is mainly methane
1 cubic meter of methane weighs in at about 0.72 kg at normal pressure but is only 75% carbon by weight
3.66*0.72*0.75*187*1000000000000=about 370 billion tons of CO2

Totals 500+2150+370=3020 billion tons of CO2

So Bazz I don't how SEI arrives at is result but it is clearly in error.
From the above it is clear that burning all the know fossil fuels would cause the CO2 level to exceed 1000 ppm and for average global temperatures to increase by over 4 deg C
Posted by warmair, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 11:13:27 AM
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Bazz
Pr Aleklett has not studied in depth the 'reserves' not yet discovered.

Perhaps you should wait till all technical reports of AR5 are released.
Posted by ozdoc, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 11:32:37 AM
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