OTB, my fellow beachbum mate, you wrote:

<< Thomson may only be masquerading as a commitment politician in respect of (over)population. Along with others he may be all fine intentions and publicity but no delivery. >>

I think if anyone has shown his genuineness, over a period of many years, it is Thomson. I reckon if anyone can deliver, it would be him. But then, who knows…. especially with the enormous power of the pro-growth lobby and the entrenched concomitant mindset.

<< On the other hand and as you might rightly say in return, what hope for sustainability with the other in Labor leadership hopefuls? >>

Indeed. And I can’t overstate how vitally important this is.

Helloow Foxy!! Where you been ‘iding for tha last three years??

You asked:

<< How would you feel about the combination of Anthony Albanese and Tanya Plibersek leading
Labor? >>

Awful queazy and plitty sick!!

Ludwig, if there were stuff ups in Bahrain and Pakistan, they could have been avoided with a smart Minister for Agriculture, who runs DAFF. There were simple solutions, they were never implemented.

If Thompson wants live exports banned, let him go ahead and open new markets for processed meat, as NZ has. Our Govt has not done so. Let him remove red tape and costs from the meat industry. No need to ban the live trade, if the Govt gets its act into gear. Banning the live trade is not required, if your meat processing industry is working as it should, which it is not.

Don't go shutting down productive export industries, until you have shown viable options. They have never done so.

At times like this being a member of the ALP and actually understanding it is of little help.
We should first remember our leadership elections are not as federal elections are.
It is the party its self that makes up its mind.
This time, bank on it, much thought and very little hostility is given before we do so.
Like the Liberals, exactly like them! we have factions.
While presenting us with problems in the last few years they exist for a reason.
Bill Shorten comes from the biggest, while named the right, it is mostly in about the middle, Tania is his running mate.
Albo, a much loved bloke, is from our left, both our greatest, and sadly sometimes our worst come from there.
Both would make great leaders, forget the words of FROG MOUTHED Conroy he farms power for him self.
Labor will emerge much the better for todays Caucus meeting, in my view lead by Bill Shorten.
Australia is about to awake from its recent removal of Labor[ I blame no one for that] to find it has the strongest opposition it has had for decades, that has to be good.
Bill Shorten has that some thing few have.
Ludwig Foxy has not been far away

Jarden RUOK?
Do you understand with one post you condemn half this country, well very near.
Our history shows folk who vote Labor in every war we fought.
Out defending homes and farms against storm fire and tempest.
It is my view far too much *NICENESS* exists here.
A willingness to ignore hate/spite and in the end insulting junk comment.
I have no intention of putting such as your comment down to other than the remarks of a dreadful person.
A SEED IS ON VIEW HERE A CHANCE TO GROW A HATE THAT NEVER ENDS TO JUDGE A WHOLE CLASS OF PEOPLE.
To divide our country and start us on a trail that ends in tragic circumstances.
My first act on Saturday was to shake the hands of Liberal poll staff and my last to congratulate them on a victory not yet [at that time] won.
Haters are lessor beings.

<< …what do you think about Indonesia wanting to buy land here in Australia to raise their own cattle? >>

Not on, Foxy. As you say; it could be leased. And I can’t see why the venture capital would be any less difficult than if they owned the land outright.

Of course one of the big provisos would be that it created jobs for Australians with priority over Indonesians working in Australia.