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This is the type of person we do not need in the senate.

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Paul,
Your last post reinforces what I said about greens calling others fruitcakes. Pot/kettle LOL.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 12 September 2013 3:59:17 PM
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Paul,

Did I mention guns?

In Australia one is not allowed to possess any thing for the purpose of self defence.

Don't you believe in the right to defend one's self, or one's loved ones?
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 12 September 2013 6:29:00 PM
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Is Mise, no you did not mention guns, but Dave from the LDP has lots to say on the subject.
"Don't you believe in the right to defend one's self, or one's loved ones?" Please explain your preferred method of self defense, if its not guns, knives, or some other offensive weapon, what is it? Stats show that people are very poor at self defense with a deadly weapon in hand. If you want to know where uncontrolled gun laws lead, take one look at the USA. Dave wants that for Australia, and I shouldn't call him a fruit cake.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 12 September 2013 7:13:34 PM
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Paul1405,

Are those things you imagine that you are capable of doing if you could qualify for a firearms licence?

Better not let you buy fuel for your mower. God knows what you might be capable of doing with that.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 12 September 2013 7:23:47 PM
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Paul,

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
And, firearms homicide in Oz is a tiny portion of total homicides, and of those the majority are by unlicensed criminals using illegal firearms. (Firearms suicide is also exceedingly rare in Oz.)

The US is not in any way indicative of Oz, for we at least have appropriate and effective licensing of firearms owners, and our laws for misuse of firearms are very severe. (Zimmerman would probably have copped a life sentence in Oz. The guy was/is obviously a menace).
And firearms accidents are also rare in Oz, as firearms owners are amongst the most responsible citizens in our community, not by chance, but by design.

Our firearms laws are tough, and they seem to be working well, and no new member of parliament, or parliamentary party, is likely to achieve any significant relaxation of those laws, no matter how much they might bellow or cry foul.

Should we be able to defend ourselves or family/friends/others from mortal threat? I believe so - per the use of reasonable force.
Could such force include the use of a firearm? I believe so, in appropriately threatening circumstances.

The Greens need to stop being paranoid about guns and gun ownership - as long as relevant laws remain effective.
(I think the Greens should focus more on deficiencies in mental health care, and health and aged care generally, for these are in far greater need of attention and improvement.)

In responsible hands, firearm use for vermin control is far more humane than the use of 1080. (And you can take that from someone who knows.)
As for hunting, I feel some more comprehensive training and relevant license qualification would not go astray - whether such hunting may be using a firearm, bow, or any other means.
Posted by Saltpetre, Thursday, 12 September 2013 8:34:17 PM
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Folks,
We had a national gun buy back and a number of gun amnesties in the wake of Port Arther.
Did you know that not one single criminal handed in their guns. Not a single one did.
So really what was the point of it.
Probably so the 'good' citizens wouldn't shoot their 'bad' politicians.
It seem that I am allowed to stab my enemies to death or bash them dead with a baseball bat but not shoot them.
The police have guns. The security guards have guns. The army have guns even the national park rangers have guns but not the citizen.
If these people have guns to protect themselves then why can't the citizens have guns to protect themselves.
Is it that the government doesn't trust its citizens?
Surely they are not telling us that all those people with legal guns are 'good, honest and true" over and above us ordinary citizens.
Wake up people the government doesn't want you to have a gun because you might be a threat to their government.
Does anybody really believe that all these "emergency" laws they are putting in place for the G20 meeting will ever be repealed.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Thursday, 12 September 2013 9:39:03 PM
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