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This is the type of person we do not need in the senate.
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Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 15 September 2013 10:57:38 PM
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Is Mise, I am enjoying our discussion on this subject, but unfortunately I feel you are flogging a dead horse. You base your argument on the notation that as Mr Boyle fronted the Parliamentary Privileges Committee and presented his "diary" to dispute the claims of several honorable members, it must be so. You are accepting that in some way Mr Boyle's diary is conclusive evidence, could it be that Mr Boyle's diary is a concoction? Boyle fails to offer any corroborative evidence what so ever, in other words any "buddies" who could back him up. As I personally know the honorable members in question I have no reason to doubt their truthfulness.
I do not dispute Mr Boyle is a public servant, but as the head of the Game Council and in light of the adverse findings of the Dunn Report I accept that Mr Boyle had overstepped his authority and acted in a political way, which is unacceptable. The O'Farrell government has acted appropriately in dumping Boyle and his Game Council. Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 16 September 2013 7:22:56 AM
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Paul,
Are you asking us to accept that the Privileges Committee did not check the evidence presented by Brian Boyle? Are you privy to the hearing and the procedures used? The fact that he mentions his diary does not mean that he did not bring forward other and supportive evidence. If he were lying then it would be a simple matter to prove it. I'm sure that the ABC could provide a tape/disc/film that shews conditions on the mountain when: "Mr Buckingham stated that: 1. ‘On the day of the announcement the people of Orange saw Brian Boyle go up Mount Canobolas, which was shrouded in thick, pea soup fog – you could not see 50 metres ahead – and say, “Isn't it great that I will be able to shoot up here? I can let off a highpowered rifle through a thicket of bush, in the fog, with no idea who else is in the park.” Inevitably, someone will end up being shot.’ The Mount had cloud over it but it was not shrouded in fog. The area where the interview with the television crew was was clear – as seen in the excerpts on the ABC program that night. I never at any time made the statement attributed to me by Mr Buckingham." Now that is clear enough and it should be quite easy to prove Boyle wrong and that he is the liar and not the Greens. Still waiting for a reference to Brian Boyle's dismissal. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 16 September 2013 8:13:38 AM
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Is Mise, from your post;
The Committee draws attention to standing order 203(3)(b) which requires that, in considering a submission seeking a citizen’s right of reply, the Committee must not consider or judge the truth of any statements made in the House or in the submission. The Committee recommends: Recommendation 1 That a response by Mr Brian Boyle, Chief Executive Officer, Game Council of New South Wales, in the terms specified at Appendix 1, as agreed to by Mr Boyle and the Committee, be incorporated in Hansard You seem to believe the Privileges Committee is some kind of court, it is not. It does not determine guilt or innocence, truthfulness or otherwise. Please read your above post, read the recommendation. Boyle didn't like what was said about him, he made a reply, it was put in Hansard, end of story. I judge Mr Boyle on the Dunn Report and not his statements to the Privileges Committee Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 16 September 2013 9:13:58 AM
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Yes, I posted that so that there would be no misconception that the Committee was making a judgement, clearly they do not and I do not see them as any kind of court.
Where does the Dunn report have anything to say on Boyle's evidence to the Committee? The Committee's findings clearly shew that the Green MLCs lied if Boyle's statements to the Committee are true, if Boyle lied then he has slandered the Green MPs and some action should have been taken, it is a serious matter to lie to the Privileges Committee. Yet we have the Green MLCs who have been attacking this man, even alleging criminal intent: Quote: "2. ‘I live in Orange and this is also my experience of the Game Council. It is a little fiefdom for Brian Boyle and his Shooters and Fishers Party mates. There is a $1 million kickback for these guys…’ Mr Buckingham is implying corrupt activity by myself in receiving or being part of a $1 million ‘kickback’. Fairly clear, is it not an allegation of criminal activity or intent and yet the Green MLCs miss this glorious opportunity to hammer Boyle into the ground. Altruism or cowardice? Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 16 September 2013 12:34:43 PM
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Is Mise I hasten once more to point out that the Privileges Committee of Parliament is not a court, not even a kangaroo court, even though it was stacked with Tories who would be ever willing to lynch good Greens parliamentarians at any opportunity. So your reference to "Boyle's evidence to the Committee" is erroneous, Boyle gave no evidence but rather made a series of statements in reply to matters concerning him raised in the House by several members of The Greens. As a citizen, Boyle had every right to do so.
Far more serious is the findings of the Dunn Report, something you have failed to comment on. http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/docs/report-DunnReview.pdf I have read the report and its recommendations. I found it scathing in its findings into the Game Council headed by Mr Boyle The O'Farrell government had no other option other than to sack the Game Council. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-05/nrn-game-council-gone/4800282 Is Mise, in stead of calling for Greens to be removed from parliament as you did; "We don't need such people (Greens) in Parliament" I would think we should thank the honorable Greens members for the outstanding work they have done in relation to hunting in national parks and in many other areas of concern for the people of NSW. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 8:18:09 AM
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Boyle's diary etc., were submitted to the Privileges Committee and the lies that he complained about were in Hansard, not some fish-wrapper broadsheet.
Quote:
Appendix 1
Reply to comments by the Hon Jeremy
Buckingham MLC, the Hon Cate
Faehrmann MLC and Mr David
Shoebridge MLC in the Legislative
Council on 20 June 2012.
The three Greens mentioned lied and what is more, lied in Parliament; and thus fit the criteria for this thread.