I can't agree with you there onthebeach, calling it leave is just another name, when it is welfare, & nothing else.

This should be available to all, at the same rate. The stay at home mother, who is probably doping a better job of mothering than the career lady should get the same baby subsidisy as the one still working. God knows she probably needs it more, even if her family do have a smaller mortgage.

Giving one woman 4 times the average pension, simply for doing what cones naturally is rather stupid, & totally counter productive.

Hasbeen,

When it suits their argument the Left refer to it as a condition of employment. Whereas when they want to wage class war, it suddenly becomes welfare, and should be restricted (and better denied) for the successful people they love to hate. A difficult picket fence to sit astride for the public bureaucrats who post on OLO and have enjoyed parental leave for yonks, and without salary barriers too!

If it is welfare it is grossly unfair, discriminatory, to restrict it to paid workers and not voluntary workers and stay at home mums.

If it is to be a work condition it is grossly unfair, discriminatory, to restrict it to women this lot believe do not (ought not?) vote for them.

I am pointing at the rather obvious hypocrisy, and the changes of spin are laughable. The left would cut off their own noses to spite their own faces. Being two-faced must make that even more painful. LOL

Thank you Hasbeen, if the Tax payer is funding it, it is welfare, if the employer is made to fund it then you can call it "Leave".
I suppose I have a bit of a bias here as I am one of the stay at home mums, not always by choice but through lack of childcare available, so it does get my dander up a little more then some.

Sorry for the incorrect/ taken out of context quote Onthebeach, I had my wires crossed.

Hasbeen,

"........ calling it leave is just another name, when it is welfare, & nothing else.

This should be available to all, at the same rate. The stay at home mother, who is probably doping a better job of mothering than the career lady should get the same baby subsidisy as the one still working. God knows she probably needs it more, even if her family do have a smaller mortgage.

Giving one woman 4 times the average pension, simply for doing what cones naturally is rather stupid, & totally counter productive."

I am in absolute agreement with your comment above.

Pregnancy is a self inflicted wound. In the main it is undertaken by parents of their own volition. Nobody forces them to have children.
Having said that I believe that the total responsibility for having and raising children should be on the shoulders of the parents and they should pay their own way.
Why the hell should I the boss, the taxpayer, the pensioner who can't get a decent pension, who can't get decent timely health care have to pay for women who choose to get pregnant.

Just when you think the PPL and the buying the boats back from criminals policy was the worst this election had to offer, now there is a plan to pay long term unemployed a bonus of approx $15,000 if they get a job after 12 months. Naturally there will be some sort of conditions (one hopes).

But how absurd. I am all for helping long term unemployed gain skills and confidence to enter the workforce including some work-for-the-dole as appropriate, however this policy is a nonsense. Welfare is about a safety-net and about providing assistance for people to become self-sustaining.

Can you imagine someone being offerred a job at 11 months unemployed thinking no better to wait so they can enjoy the bonus. And to top it off this payment has been phrased as a bonus. Not to mention those who have made efforts to get work before being unemployed for 12 months must be feeling miffed. A policy made for rorting even more than pink batts.

The Coalition is losing support from it's own on these issues in the ridiculous attempt to 'buy' support from a traditional labor base. But at what cost. Is winning all that matters no matter the dire outcomes. This is what politics has got to ...the bottom of the barrell policy on the run in efforts to outdo.

Abbott wins the Darwin award on these policies for sure.