chrisgaff1000: I seem to recall hearing in a movie "the only good so&so is a dead so&so" perhaps there is a parallel here.

No parallel at all. I did not say I wanted any Muslim dead, just out of Australia. Wanting them dead would make me as bad as they are. They can do the job themselves with their sectarian wars anywhere they like but not here & against Australians.

I can see that any attempts at having a
fair-minded debate on this topic is out
of the question. This seriously raises
questions about some posters own credibility
as commentators.

I don't understand why we can't discuss issues
openly and responsibly without going into
"Islamophobia." The picture that is being
presented here conjures forth images of
women behind veils, of adulterers being stoned,
of thieves having their hands cut off, of
public floggings and executions, of martyrdom in
holy wars, and, in extreme cases, of political
fanaticism exemplified in aircraft hijackings
and terrorist bombings.

This picture is rather distorted, for it is based on
what is newsworthy rather than what is typical.

By all means have ligitimate criticism of aspects of
Islam - but stay away from sweeping statements and
generalisations, and personal insults (against those
whose views disagree with yours). Fundamentalism
exists in all religions - and these issues can be
discussed openly and responsibly, without smearing
entire groups of people. We do need to also remember
that Islamic fundamentalism arises out of specific
social and cultural conditions in their own
countries which may then, in turn, influence the
subsequent course of social change within those countries.
For better or for worse.

All Australians are free to follow any religion they choose,
so long as its practices do not break any Australian law.
Religious intolerance is supposedly unacceptable in
Australian society. And finally, religious laws have no
legal status in Australia.

So give it a rest with your fear and hate mongering.

The UK is suffering similar problems to Australia from a burdensome appeals process that costs a bomb, results in long delays and the costs associated with that, and advantages the quick-witted, politically-savvy economic migrant (and of course the lawyers and advocates with their noses in the trough of taxpayers' money).

Lexi: I can see that any attempts at having a fair-minded debate on this topic is out of the question.

And what do you call a fair debate, Lexi. Don't see, don't tell. It seems that you would prefer that we don't bring up the subject of "normal Islamic Practices" because there are some people that find that these horrors are unacceptable to be viewed by gentle PC folk. Is that it?

Lexi: The picture that is being presented here conjures forth images of women behind veils, of adulterers being stoned, of thieves having their hands cut off, of public floggings and executions, of martyrdom in holy wars, and, in extreme cases, of political fanaticism exemplified in aircraft hijackings and terrorist bombings.

It conjures nothing. I have made nothing up. I have provided facts as presented by Muslims themselves. These are not even fundamentalists. Was Iftikhar a Fundamentalist? He said he wasn't. He only wanted everyone to live life as it was given in the Koran. Schrimple.

Lexi: This picture is rather distorted, but stay away from sweeping statements and Generalisations,

Show me where it is distorted or Generalisations. I have provided facts as presented by Muslims themselves, nothing more. Are these Muslims lying?

Lexi: Fundamentalism exists in all religions.

Yes it does. American Southern Baptists are the worst. Can you recall when the last time a Christian Religious Court sentenced anyone to death. If I remember correctly, Wakefield, England, 178X for being a Witch.

Lexi: and these issues can be discussed openly and responsibly,

Not with Islam. Anyone who is not a Muslim is an Infidel & just an animal. I've told you before what I was told by an Imam in Malaysia. "Can be shot, no problem, animal." If you think you can have an open responsible discussion with a Muslim, you are fooling yourself.

cont.
Lexi: We do need to also remember that Islamic fundamentalism arises out of specific social and cultural conditions in their own countries which may then, in turn, influence the subsequent course of social change within those countries.

Beautifully said & quite correct. But to continue... Then exported through asylum seekers to the rest of the world.

Lexi: All Australians are free to follow any religion they choose,
so long as its practices do not break any Australian law.

True. Unfortunately Islam is striving to replace Australian Law with Shari a Law, little by little as is being done in the UK. The up-coming referendum is what happened in the UK & places with a Muslim Majority have introduced Shari a Law above UK Law. A change of Law by stealth.

Lexi: religious laws have no legal status in Australia.

True, but Muslims want to change that. They are striving to have Australia become a Caliphate. Islamic Conference in Sydney earlier this year.

Lexi: So give it a rest with your fear and hate mongering.

Fear, yes. Hate Mongering. I don't hate these people. I dislike their Theocratic religion. It has no place in Australian Society or Culture. They are not even wanted Indonesia.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/indonesian-locals-seek-to-evict-asylum-seekers-over-culture-clash-in-their-towns-20130712-2pvpp.html

Now I think that is a reasonable unbiased discussion on the subject.

jayb,

I appreciate your clarifying things for me.

From your last couple of posts I can see that
your definition of a fair-minded debate differs
greatly from mine. I shall therefore leave you
to continue talking to people who have the
wisdom to see things your way.

Cheers.