Hey this kiwi Copy is pretty cute guys.

freediver: "Whales are a sustainable source of food."

Yeah right - are you going to put that up on your "Sustainable Party" web page, along with your creationism links?

Good luck - you'll need it.

Here you go:

http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168478179

Alanpoli
Sorry for the delay in responding to you.

Alanpoli Says>
"If we stop eating meat what will happen to domestic animals?
We are actually doing them a favour by eating them otherwise they would die out except for a few specimens in zoos."
Reply to Alanpoli
Nobody is saying we should not eat meat. Well at least the pale people are not saying that." Some groups do'
Of course they also have a right to talk to people about being a Veggie or Vegan Alonpoli.
We just would prefer those people were up front about it because it confuses the farmers.
Now to your comments about what would happen to farm animals if we stopped eating them?
Well I cant say I could agree with you that we are doing them any favours by eating them. I think thats a rather going too far. I am sure all animals that are sentenced to a life of hell wouldnt mind not going through that.
Zoos are basically cruel by the way.
However I think you would agree that domestic animals have a right to be treated in a proper manner. Not unless your saying as we eat them who should care if they suffer before we kill them?
I am sure if you or I ever came back as a farm animal we might care.
You will find in life Alanpoli that all most of these people world wide are protesting about is the way in which we treat animals.
ok Lets say you dont care about animals.
I put it to you that you care about your family children.
If you dont know how much disease is spread by poor animal care I suggest you do some reading on it.

Thank You for your comment its always good to get others thoughts.

I am against the mistreatment of animals, if we are going to eat them we should kill them humanely.I live in a rural area and I don't agree that all farm animals go through a life of hell, most spend a life of luxury, pampered with the best of tucker, free from predators, a good health care program and for some an excellant sex life, unfortunately some suffer a premature death and some particulary pigs and chooks live in conditions that are less than satisfactory, and I agree that the live sheep trade is abhorrent.Cruelty, wanton or otherwise is not in the farmers interest and indeed some farmers love their animals dearly, my own father a dairy farmer, treated his cows better than his kids.
The question I raised (albeit tongue in cheek) is however one that to my knowledge has not been addressed by animal liberationists who advocate a vegan or vegitarian lifestyle, some of whom vehmently oppose the eating of meat, that is what would happen to domestic animals if we stop eating meat, without addressing this issue they are on very shaky ground

Alanpoli

Thanks for your comments. You must be living in a lovely part of the country. Yes many farmers are kind to their animals. Your dad sounds like the real deal.
We certainly support farmers like him.
Whats sad however is the real farmers are getting shoved out by the intensive farmers in this country and we must do something to protect the man on the land.
We are supporting free Range Farmers and I will put up the link For you to show Dad. We would love a dairy farm to put up. The Page is very new.

http://www.freerangefarmers.com/freerange/

Also if there is anything we can do now or ever in these hard times do not hestitate to contact us.
How big is your dairy Farm?
Are there many other dairy farmers in the area.
We hope to set up a co op to sell powered milk to Iraq and other countries.
They originally requested live Cattle however have agreed to look at the idea of establishing a plant to divert to powered milk.

Considering the price you guys are getting here at the moment maybe Dad and a few mates might be interested.

They would not be asked to pay for the plant and the prices would be better than local.

There is a world wide shortage of powered milk and has been for quite a while.
We could arrange the halal Accreditation etc.

As for your question to Animal Libbers You would have to ask them.
Trust me when I tell you not all farm animals are lucky enough to have a good farmer like your Dad.
Millions suffer each year in the most unbelibable cruelty.
Nice To chat with you Alanpoli.
Look after Dad.