david f

The number of times homosexuality is condemned leaves no room for confusion as to what the Bloke upstairs thinks about the practice. Those who choose not to observe this prohibition are quite entitled to their beliefs however no religious franchise that supposedly regards the bible as inspired has any business catering to them. As for the ruling about women, surely you don't believe we wouldn't be infinitely better off had the red-headed witch not decided on a political career?? Come to think of it, we'd be better off if the RAbbott had never trained as a priest, but thats a story for another day. Most of your other points can be resolved by reference to original texts, translations in general leave a lot to be desired, especially considering that the majority are based on the catholic vulgate. There was in fact no intent that women could neither vote nor teach, they were only meant to be subservient to their husbands but were welcome to 'teach' in any other capacity. Note the number of significant females mentioned in connection with first century ecclesias (which were very different to what contemporary society regards as 'churches')

There have been homosexuals in all organisations throughout history.

The fact that the Catholic Church continues to demonise homosexuals and pushes a discrimination agenda against same sex couples' right to marry shows the hypocrisy.

When will these people who seem to hold a great deal of influence and authority find the compassion to recognise homosexuality as just one part of the human experience.

Why not gays in the Catholic Church? Why not women? Why not married men?

It does not make sense in a society that should value each individual regardless of gender, sexual orientation and marital status

pelican

While the church of rome can hardly be held up as a shining example of probity, the organization 'supposedly' follows biblical principles. We all know it has a rather cavalier attitude to the truth, but thats another issue again. If one is accept the bible as inspired, one then needs to that a point made multiple times is of some importance. Those who choose to follow another path are perfectly entitled to whatever beliefs they choose, but deciding to re-write whatever holy book simply it doesn't say what a certain group wants to believe isn't kosher. The church of rome has become its own worst enemy by ignoring a whole host of laws, including turning a blind eye toward pedophelia, allowing graven images, worshiping 'other gods', 'adding' to the truth eg the Trinity doctrine which is anything but biblical, etc etc.

Having lost all claim to credibility, the organization is now between a rock & a hard place. Archbishop Pell obviously has some awareness of the consequences of kiddyfiddling priests, likewise the pontiff. Now there is the news about a gay enclave, & added to the story a few months ago about the microchip implants, one has to wonder what will be done in an attempt to dig the church out of the hole it has dug for itself. I suggest that condoning homosexuality would only worsen the situation, but given the public attitude regarding pedophelia, who knows what smokescreen will be used to shield the church from what it probably sees as a greater evil ??

Dear praxidice,

The number of times homosexuality is condemned in the Bible tells us nothing about what god, if there is a god, thinks about it. The god of the Bible is an ugly, nasty brute who in the flood wiped out a good bit of life on earth because he didn't like what some people did. I am not sure there is a god, but I am sure that if there is a god he is not the god of the Bible.

david f

There are in fact many gods. In Australia there is no doubt that footbrawl & thugby are infinitely more relevant than any 'religious' entity. Have you noticed that thread about some girl supposedly upsetting whatever footbrawler ?? Its been going since the dawn of time with no indication it will ever end. I suggest that its indicative of a religion more in tune with the hoi-polloi than anything connected with any of the recognizable franchises.

Prax while I personalty will keep Muslims out of the thread I doubt we of Christian nations can throw stones at others.
Catholicism is the birth place for all Christian Churches.
Well aware of mark of the beast stuff, my doubt/question is are your claims of true, the chip in the right hand.
All types of Christians exist, and for the most part this non-believer thinks they do as much good as harm.
But not because it is Catholic not an insult to its followers, but fed by fact is it truly a Church of God.
Charges and the link tell of whole groups of Gays in the Vatican, trying to keep power,fraud and things we will find hard to believe come from heads of a Christian Church.