Lexi>> ovisly tnkn not yr tuff thrds<<

This is fun....but I am sorry to say that you are as one eyed as a needle in a haystack my belle.

Lexi I have found you bi focal on most subjects except politics. You have often seen my anti government posts, have you ever seen a pro Abbott or pro Coalition post…never. I am bi focal when I look at politicians, but sadly you are not.

As an example, everything Runner said in his “ru” reply is fact, simple as that, except for the smirks on the independents faces, that is subjective.

The fact that you either do not recognize or will not accept that the Labor Parties political wing is broken is irrational, Belly concedes it, and that he now tends to defend the Party and not the government is his personal testament to rationality. The Party will be there when these clowns go.

Regarding your reply to runner:

>>What I'm talking about is what's coming out of
your mouth every time you post.<<

Apportioning blame to Runner for the wholesale collapse of our society for stating facts is the subterfuge of political correctness, a token simpatico ploy that gives you a moral aloofness and a change in focus away from the failures of this government who's tax receipts are up by 7% on last year but we are borrowing $12 million an hour.

That is what is tearing our society apart, and you don't recognize it because you despise the opposition...just irrational.

Dear sonofgloin,

You wrote;

“You ask why I don’t throw my hands up to this error in info transfer, perhaps it is the gracious manner that the old gang addressed my previous “hands up” stance…..I aint going back to that.”

But I didn't ask at all. I noted it and deemed it conforming to expectations, that is all.

And please don't try and turn this into you against the 'old gang'. I was the only one who challenged your apology. The reasons I did so was because what really needed an apology wasn't a blatant beat-up being posted as the truth, it was the mindset that allowed it to happen with such ease.

An apology that went something like this;

'I am sorry for the stereotyping that allowed me to post something without checking its veracity. and I accept the fact that the post was not coming from a balanced viewpoint and I will endevour to apply due diligence in the future.”

- would have been received far more openly.

Ultimately mate you were engaged in poison peddling, got caught out with a dodgy news link, then got slapped around a bit. No need to stop apologising for stuff ups, I've had more than my fair share on OLO, especially in the early days, but haven't begrudged being called out on any of them as they have made me pull my socks up. To keep engaging in what you have just done though will put you in another category of poster, one that I'm not sure you are ready to join. Your choice though in the end.

csteele>> To keep engaging in what you have just done though will put you in another category of poster, one that I'm not sure you are ready to join. Your choice though in the end.<<

Cs, once again thanks for your input...but who died and left you emperor of OLO. You keep alluding to us and them, is there a third choice?

>> 'I am sorry for the stereotyping that allowed me to post something without checking its veracity. and I accept the fact that the post was not coming from a balanced viewpoint and I will endevour to apply due diligence in the future.”<<

Given you are prone to writing apologies for others, would you care to pen their posts as well? We could have threads that are started by csteeele, with contributions from csteele, and responses from csteele.

Administrator csteele, chief patron csteele, chief protagonist csteele, etc etc.

>> And please don't try and turn this into you against the 'old gang'. I was the only one who challenged your apology.<<

Well csteele you are well on the way to a csteele only format. They say that “one is the loneliest number there can ever be.”

Dear SOG,

I will state it again. The chance of having a
sensible discussion about issues on this
forum has been losing ground for some time.
Especially when it comes to politics.
One political point of view is graded over
another and different values are assigned to
each. There are those who speak of Julia Gillard
and Labor in the most appalling terms. And There
are others who don't want to see Tony Abbott
merely questioned and called to account, they
want to see him eviscerated.

I have been critical of Labor many times and of
Mr Abbott as well.

I will continue to stem a blind, partisan hatred
that's tearing this country in two.
When was it decided that all the concerns, issues,
policies and pre-occupations of this country had
to be divided into a Left/Right dogfight?

Australia's interests are far more complex than
those who insist on seeing all discussions through
a fixed ideological viewfinder.

People are remarkably diverse. We have voters of all
persuasion, city and country folk, very young and
very old, straight, gay, and everything else.

We should all be heard.
Reasonably.

I trust this clarifies things for you.

Dear sonofgloin,

It seems you are developing a siege mentality when there is no siege.

This place has gone through a phase when Muslim bashing was rife and seemingly the favourite past time of many. There were 200 post threads almost exclusively centred around fear mongering and reinforcing stereotypes. Those who spoke against the mob were derided and shouted down.

There are some of us who just got pretty jack of the whole sordid mess and started responding more forcefully as reasonable debate appeared powerless. Perhaps there was some pining for the old OLO when the mood it seemed was a lot more collaborative and congenial. Sure the likes of runner have been with us for a long while but he was fringe, in fact I would miss him if he weren't around.

While some have understandably decided not to engage in these debates those who have challenged the proliferation of anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim posts have done so in individual ways. Lexi for instance has continued to engage in a more conciliatory approach (just as an aside referring to her or for that manner any female here in terms of your 'belle' is kinda creepy), Poirot and others have chosen to be a little more strident in directly challenging falsehoods. I, much to my discredit decided to pick up my big stick and go toe to toe with your lot calling you poison peddlers. Perhaps there was a time where I may well have been capable of echoing Lexi's approach but I not longer have that capacity.

Rest assured though at this point we are still very much in the minority.

A little reminder;

“What is next…really, the circumcision of little girls I would guess as that is an ongoing topic in the UK. Then comes hand chopping and decapitation or stoning perhaps. What defence do we have to this Stone Age invasion of our culture given that numeric advantage has been outlawed by the government agency supposedly tasked with the wellbeing of the masses., that is until the muslims gain numerical advantage and the mufti will then call the shots.”

Csteele>> Lexi for instance has continued to engage in a more conciliatory approach (just as an aside referring to her or for that manner any female here in terms of your 'belle' is kinda creepy),<<

I agree Lexi puts up with a load before she fires back and generally with vengeance.

Re the creepy “Belle” familiararity that I use exclusively with Lexi, its genesis was some years ago with “Lexi my Baltic Belle,” I was wordsmithing a little and Belle, a term of differential from the also ran’s stuck. I would stop if she requested it.
I also call Belly my “china,” again a term that I use exclusively with Belly….everyone else gets sport, tiger or mate. I disagree with both these contributors, have said nasty and provocative things to them for a few years now, but I have found something special in both of them, along with Arjay for some reason, but I just call him Arjay….hope this helps.

Csteele>> A little reminder;

“What is next…really, the circumcision of little girls I would guess as that is an ongoing topic in the UK. Then comes hand chopping and decapitation or stoning perhaps. What defence do we have to this Stone Age invasion of our culture given that numeric advantage has been outlawed by the government agency supposedly tasked with the wellbeing of the masses., that is until the muslims gain numerical advantage and the mufti will then call the shots.”<<

Cs, I don’t retreat from that statement. Little girl circumcision, hand chopping, decapitation and stoning happened somewhere in the muslim world last week.

Revolutions are not engendered by moderates, although moderates end up carrying out the acts that will bring about the change under the guidance of the few. If muslims hit critical mass in the first world, it won’t be the moderates calling the shots sport.