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Increase GST?
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Posted by Ludwig, Monday, 29 April 2013 8:58:46 PM
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In this post, maybe two? I intend to stager around the thread and bump in to all sides.
It is the only way I can address many side issues that have turned up. First lets be honest *I and every non Liberal/conservative will have ample time, and reason, to complain about the actions of the incoming Government*. But sadly, for those upset with me, for a wrongly perceived *betrayal* of this Labor government, those who refuse to understand *you cannot enter an election asking to be considered the best of two bad choices*. Not if you sweep your troubles under a carpet, leaving the public to see what you refuse to. The thread is not about a single tax rate,surely we know Palmer paying the same rate as his garbage man will not work? It will never happen, quite simply we are looking at increasing not decreasing tax.A case,by Wiser men than s, hasbeen put both sides Howard and the ALP spent too much. Have some here considered? it is Liberals, no other party, who will have the chance to change this tax. And without insults from me. A fundamental truth, ignore it at your peril, is we must pay for every service, company and PAYE, GST, all taxes. We saw Abbott stop? it questions him, and those who will not see it,tax cuts for small business. The open wound that Australian politics has become, sees some * totally unaware types*insult Labor for what is a Liberal consideration, Labor will be in ruins. UNDERSTAND PLEASE! not my wish but a certainty, dreams do not think for uncommitted voters. Thousands, maybe millions, gave us away long ago. And in just a few days a subject, a well thought out and presented one, will be handed down, then good or bad murdered in this place and the media. Looking back, post Labors wreckage History will tell Labor lost the election the day Kevin Rudd was sacked and a woman not liked by most took us on a ride in the tunnel of horror. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 7:16:10 AM
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Much of the world has put in place a consumtion tax, call it VAT or GST but in the end names do not matter.
Lets see how it came to this country. Paul Keiting put it forward. It was screamed down by Labors boiler suited then 60% controllers. Howard, while we fought him, for introducing *our near policy* put it in place. Now why did Keiting, the then words best in his roll want it? It is important that my detractors * from my side of the fence* understand it was so Labor could fund its agenda, rises in social security are paid for in cash not phantom money. The small business tax cuts we still want,Abbott will not allow, need funding. A GST can if guts exists, pay for future building infrastructure and health, it can see silly taxes hurting growth gone. If we look in to the not too far future we must understand. Liberals will and must, cut jobs and services, in time raise taxes GST is my view a way the money can be fairly raised. *Some refuse to see, Higher GST in some3 cases by removing existing tax may see some prices drop. Labor for life, fighting for social justice till dead! But nothing in that description demands I refuse to see the truth. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 7:31:19 AM
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Belly as usual your love of Labor mean you can't see anything straight.
It was Howard who first wanted a GST, & that gutless wonder Fraser wouldn't have a bar of it. Electoral suicide he reckoned. Yes Keating wanted one, but was smacked down like a naughty boy, for even thinking such dangerous [to election prospects] thoughts. Howard, the little man with a heap of guts, took it to an election & won. Labour have been attacking him for it ever since. Now, suddenly, after wasting tens of billions on god knows what, you want to put it up. Credibility is one thing Labor is really short on. You say, "A case,by Wiser men than s, hasbeen put both sides Howard and the ALP spent too much." Yes I heard some lefty scribe on the left propaganda machine, your ABC, talking this garbage the other day. Interesting that Howard/ Costello paid of Labors huge debt from last time, gave everyone tax cuts, oversaw large wage rises for all, & put cash in the bank. But some lefty dismisses all that & expects to be believed, & surprisingly his name was not Gillard. Then you suggest the prime architect of the whole fiasco, Rudd would have been better. Do see an optometrists, you need better vision mate. Then you have the hide to say we need more money for services. Labor are spending 30% more, tens of billions, & we do not have even one more service. In fact we have lost quite a few. We are a damn site less safe, with over a billion less each year spent on defence. Your lot have clawed back previously committed money from hospitals in a number of states, forcing hospital cut backs. What little defence force we still have is now a tug boat service for our invaders fleet. If ever I want some predictions, I'll go to the Gypsy fortune teller, old mate. Both your history & predictions just don't hold water. Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 12:06:51 PM
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Palmer paying the same rate as his garbage man will not work?
Belly, Why not ? The present system hasn't worked for several decades now so I think we should give flat tax a go. It WILL WORK ! It'll create many more jobs & will reduce the public service bureaucracy & that too is a very good thing. Clive Palmer might just prove to be the man to get the ball rolling & judging by the poor goal keeping of all the other parties he might just kick a goal from which all of Australia will benefit. Throw in national Service as well & presto, we''ll have a great country again. Posted by individual, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 12:39:21 PM
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Wrong hasbeen sorry old mate but your self confidence is badly miss placed.
This link may help you, and another who seem lost on this matter. http://gst.nusystems.com.au/pdf/part1.pdf It is a simple explanation from the very start of this tax. Seems some, a few, do not understand my point, I will not protest if/when Abbott brings in a rise in GST. It can be of real use in fixing a troubled tax system, and who of us does not know, Abbott will NEED to get more tax, to pay his policy,s. And again who fails to see if by an imposable miraculous event, Dillard was re elected she too,would put them up to fund her promises. Hasbeen I challenge, based only on your words, your understanding of much at all about the subject of Australian Politics! Not one of the Liberals, Conservatives, and various Tea Party red necks has taken up my challenge. To tell of the problems in their camp. I have a long term track record, you and others lack the ability to see or understand, of putting the sword to my side. Hasbeen your words are hollow and you can do better, maybe. Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 2:19:22 PM
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It is absolutely time to STOP heaping ever-more pressure on our infrastructure, services, resources and environment, all of which demands an enormous amount of government expense, just to duplicate all this stuff for the increasing population without providing any gains for the existing population!
The budget black hole should equate directly to a big cut in immigration!!