Just as I said, here we have Father Jo an authority on gay people, where do you get your stats from, the pope. Most likely also believes in Moses and his ark.

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Dear Josephus,

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You wrote:

" ... perhaps statistics on gays indicate loosely formed sexual relationships that do not involve shared property and children so their emotional attachments are much looser and casual".

You may have a point there, Josephus. It's a question of conjecture for which I do not know the answer. However, judging from two very respectable gay couples I have been acquainted with in the course of my professional and social life, one female, the other male, they both "share" property just as many heterosexual couples do.

Neither couple has any children, nor domestic pets so far as I am aware.

I am obviously not witness to their intimacy but the two couples I have in mind have both been together now as long as my wife and I, and that is just on 45 years.

I certainly do not have the impression that " their emotional attachments are much looser and casual" than those of my wife and I, or of any other heterosexual couple we know.

They are perfectly integrated into society and live their lives discreetly and harmoniously like any other couple.

I agree that statistics alone are an insufficient basis for forming an enlightened opinion on the subject of same sex marriage. However, to ignore them is to deprive oneself of a certain number of objective facts.

Our natural (reproductive) instincts are activated immediately when the subject is raised. The large majority of us are programmed with heterosexual instincts and react accordingly, rejecting any suggestion of same sex relationships without giving it a proper hearing.

Statistics can help us lift the veil of our prejudices (nature's programme) and see reality more clearly.

This, together with all the other resources available to us (personal experiences and philosophy, information, intelligence, sense of humanity and moral values, exchange of different points of view with others whose opinions we respect, etc.) all allow us to formulate an informed opinion on the subject.

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Dear Paul1405,

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You wrote:

"Just as I said, here we have Father Jo an authority on gay people, where do you get your stats from, the pope. Most likely also believes in Moses and his ark".

As I think I am the only one to have posted 'stats" on this thread, I think you are referring to one of my posts.

However, there is a slight doubt in my mind because you ask " ... where do you get your stats from ? ... " whereas I indicated all my sources.

In view of this apparent contradiction, perhaps you would be kind enough to elaborate a little further on your question and I shall be delighted to do my best to reply.

In the meantime, I can indicate that none of the "stats" I quoted are from "the pope".

I am not sure if it is "the pope" or I who you suggest "Most likely also believes in Moses and his ark".

I have no idea what "the pope" believes in, but I do not exclude that possibility.

As for myself, my beliefs are extremely limited in number and I strive to reduce them even further, every day, and, wherever possible, replace them with scientific knowledge.

I am not aware of any conclusive scientific evidence regarding the historical existence of "Moses and his ark".

If you have any information on that, I should be pleased to hear of it.

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Banjo Paterson,
I would not worry about Moses and his ark, as it was Noah who built the ark. Most ancient cultures have stories of Noah and the ark, so it is not just a Bible story.

If you want to catch a religious fruitcake, just refer to 'Moses and his ark'. Thank you Father Jo for that factual information, it was cousin Noah who sailed around in the ark. How do we know this to be true, not only do we have the Bible, we also have "ancient cultures" to tell us so, who ever they be. Should we take the views of people who believe in fair stories seriously? What do they have to say on the subject of gay marriage?

It was Noah his wife, his three sons and their wives that entered the ark 8 homosapiens. No homosexuals are mentioned entering the ark.

All birds and marsupials that bond for life propose to propagate their species, prepare their property, protect and provide for their offspring this is all a part of the organic process of life. It is called birth, marriage and death that preserves the species. In human society it is registered for the human State and the common good of commonunity.

That some men wish to lifelong insert their penis into their lovers bum and call it marriage degrades the term to defication. That a woman deny her biological reality and play for the rest of her life with dido's on another woman and call it marriage to be recognised by the State so that society celebrates that act is interferring in their private affairs that the State need not register.