Dear Tony Travis,

Surgically and forcefully done.

Loved it.

Yes, well said Tony : )

Sorry Josephus, but your' argument doesn't wash well in a secular society like New Zealand and Australia.

It's pretty simple really.
If you don't want to marry someone of the same sex, then no one will force you to.
Just leave all those that do want to alone.

It's only a matter of time before the Western world all agree on the validity of Gay marriage...

Dear Josephus,

We've covered this ground many times on this
Forum. The old popular song, "Love and marriage,"
tells us, "go together like a horse and carriage."
A compelling assumption in our society is that
every one will fall in love, will marry, will
have children, and will
have an emotionally satisfying lifetime relationship
with the chosen partner. The reality however is
somewhat different.

It is probably true that most of us fall in love
at some point; it is certainly true that nearly
all of us marry but not all of us have children;
and it is likely that a great many of us - perhaps the
majority - find that married life falls below
our expectations.

As I've stated in the past - it is therefore
important to recognise that there is an immense
range in marriage, family, and kinship patterns
and New Zealand has apparently recognised this
77 to 44 votes in Parliament. That is their
choice.

You seem to assume that there is only one "right"
family and marriage form, and you interpret any
change as heralding the doom of the whole
institution. You of course are entitled to your opinion.
But you are not entitled to try to impose your views on
others.

Well we've all heard about the Kiwis & their sheep. Is it true? Well, where ever there is smoke there must be fire they say.

Now all we have to do is wait to see if they include sheep in their libertarian ideas.

Oh & Suse, I think it may be a race actually. You say, "It's only a matter of time before the Western world all agree on the validity of Gay marriage".

Well I have to wonder which will come first, the total collapse of our once proud Western civilisation, or the validity of gay marriage.

Lexi

you write

'You seem to assume that there is only one "right"
family and marriage form,'

It would be more accurate to speak of the one desirable marriage form which does not deny any children the right of a father or mother. Polygamy is a 'marriage' form but highly undesirable for a society. Legisaltion should not promote perversion or what is not good for society. Surely the secularist have seen how much damage they have done by encouraging the destruction of families.

People always seem to get lust and love mixed up. Love would encompass what is good for others. Homosexual 'marriage 'is not good for society.

To indicate the rediculous concept of such a State law; we now have laws covering defacto relationships between a man and a woman who cohabit and do not register themselve as married; is NZ now to have State laws registering gays couples who cohabit and do not wish to marry; [whatever marriage means in gay terms]. The only thing that can define the biological state of "marriage" is a lifelong committment in a natural sexual relationship between a man and a woman