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NZ Parliament will need to define what they mean by love

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Dear Paul1405,

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You wrote:

"The Ratbag Religious Right in France put up a violent protest against the bill, ... ".

I do not have any statistics on the number of "ratbags" in France nor in any other country for that matter. What I do know is that "ratbags" are usually to be found in large numbers at the extremes of any movement of contestation or protestation irrespective of what it is that is being contested.

A senior police commissioner received a paving stone ( a "pavé", in French) on the head during the violent demonstrations in Paris to protest against the vote and was taken to hospital in serious condition.

I happen to have a similar "pavé" (in solid granite) in my home, here in Paris, that weighs 1.85 kilos, so you can imagine what that could do to your head if it were thrown at you (my wife uses it to grill steaks).

It makes no difference to the police commissioner who threw the "pavé" or why. It could have been a "ratbag of the religious right" or any passing thug who did it just for fun. Next time, it could be a "ratbag of the religious left", a "ratbag of the political right", or "of the political left", some universal, multi-cause extremist, an opportunist, a hooligan, any thug, furious rebel, social outcast or other.

All the police commissioner knows is he received a "pavé" on the head and it floored him. It might even maim him for life.

Though a large majority of French people say they are Catholics, very few ever go to church.

There are about 40 000 Catholic churches and more and more are abandoned each year. Some are transformed into Muslim mosques.

Though there are only about 4.5 million Muslims in France compared to 41.6 million French citizens who declare themselves to be Catholics, there are 2.5 million practicing Muslims and only 1.9 million practicing Catholics.

The so-called " Ratbag Religious Right" identify themselves exclusively as Catholics - though it is unlikely they ever go to church.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 26 April 2013 8:43:05 AM
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I wish to make two points.
1. Marriage is not a human right, it is a responsibility to another person. That is why we need a contract and vows.
2. Homosexuals are normal people with a disoriented sexual preference. Most are very fertile and capable of producing children.

That some heterosexual couples are infertile or choose not to have children does not annul their marriage of becoming a completed human unit as the biological use of their sexual organs are bonded in marriage. The use of instruments or the bowel is not an act of biological marriage. Such is not, nor ever will be humanly equal to normal marriage of a man and a woman.
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 28 April 2013 9:41:03 PM
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>>The use of instruments or the bowel is not an act of biological marriage.<<

You still haven't explained what this 'biological marriage' business is Josephus. It's not mentioned anywhere in the books or websites I've looked at. One of the waitresses at work is 3rd year med. students so she knows a fair bit about human biology. I asked her if she'd ever heard of marriage being used in a biological context but she hadn't.

As far as I can work out 'biological marriage' seems to be your personal euphemism for vaginal sex. I'd advise you find a new euphemism or drop it altogether - I think we're all sufficiently adult to be neither titillated nor offended by the phrase 'vaginal sex' - because you seem to be conflating your euphemism with marriage and confusing the two. They're obviously not the same; marriage means sharing your whole life together not just your not naughty bits. Since I'm unmarried I only have sex with unmarried women.

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Monday, 29 April 2013 4:28:38 AM
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Father Jo; "Homosexuals are normal people with a disoriented sexual preference. Most are very fertile and capable of producing children."
It is your opinion about disoriented sexual preference, the point about very fertile, it may be so, or it may not be so, what is the relevance? I could apply the same to Catholic clergy and their unnatural vow of
celibacy, which leads to the 'sin' of self gratification. Do you see celibacy as normal?
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 29 April 2013 9:45:42 AM
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Do you see celibacy as normal?
NO!
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 29 April 2013 10:08:51 AM
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The biological design of male and female reproductive organs when united form a marriage of a human unit. "The two shall become one human flesh", which has been the case since humans appeared on the Earth.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 29 April 2013 10:14:39 AM
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