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If we are to have peace

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"If we are to have peace on earth, our loyalties . . . must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective." Martin Luther King Jr.

I thank God that I have the ability to feel compassion for everyone. Its a gift that many people don't have and one of the things I got from my mother. But to be completely honest,sometimes I feel let down and kind of angry at others when they don't have this feeling.

Whether its understanding that people die just about everyday in Sudan and Iraq.Or learning about the condition of Indigenous people in Australia and Papua New Guinea. The health problems,living situation of different people. Sometimes it seem getting into discussions & topics about people who are not apart of my race cause more problems and hate.
Posted by Amel, Thursday, 26 April 2007 1:22:37 AM
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Amel well meaning and kind but is it related to the world as it is?
If this day Australia bought every defense force person home.
Put every weapon into a furnace and melted it down ,would every one?
Or would we be invaded within a year?
Is mankind ever going to be one?
Even here in this country, the one I am so proud to be part of people do not care for each other.
Understand the pain of workchoices on the already low income earners.
Here in our forum we can not agree on issues that do great harm to some in our country.
I think like it or not it is the nature of humanity to want to be different.
And while we are different and each want to remain so we will have to defend our selfs.
Do not be little mankind for using the same inbuilt survival instincts that bought us from the caves to the place we are now, and may yet bring us closer to the world you want.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 27 April 2007 8:22:56 AM
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If we are to have peace, there needs to be a major social revolution, restructuring of the worlds government and abandoning of religious myths. The human being is in its basic form an altruistic creature, however with the advent of religion and the societies we live in presently, more emphasis is placed on advancing yourself, or your business, or your country.
The scale of what needs to happen is so vast, that it can be assumed to be impossible. While countries exploit the resources of others, there will be hunger, hate and resentment. While religious leaders continue to believe in false reasoning, halt medical and scientific research, advocate violence against other people, or invade countries with differing ideal, there will always be prejudice, hate and death.
Truly seeking out peace on earth today would require a lot of the people who are better off today wilfully renouncing a lot of their ways of life, and luxuries in order to create an equal society. That won’t happen.
The toothpaste is out of the tube, it’s a hell of a lot harder to put it in.
Societies were created before we had a proper knowledge of how the world functioned and as such are not attuned to the physical facts and logic of existence.
Peace on earth is a long way off, and it will be a hard lesson learnt for those living in blissful ignorance at the moment.
Posted by A Drunken Man, Friday, 27 April 2007 4:18:12 PM
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Druken man-;
"The human being in its basic form is an ultruistic creature"

If ever food supplies run out and there are only six loaves of bread left to eat on the shop shelves I think you will find yourself run over and your head trampled in the rush to get them. When it comes right down to survival Mankind is only ultruistic to their families and children . They can also be ultruistic to their own communities as they need the support of a community around them to survive.
In the final analysis it is not true ultruism at all but is based on the individuals need to survive. As it is in all of nature.
Posted by sharkfin, Friday, 27 April 2007 9:18:47 PM
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Amel

Yes it is something born in you to have compassion for others.

It is a gift of breeding. You cant pass it on I am afraid.

Dont worry its 'normal' to get angry and disapointed when others dont share it.

Excuse me Amel while I address Belly. Yup There is work choices in Australia.

Its called get off your backsides and get a job!

There are plenty of jobs out there if you want one - or two - or three.
Stop moaning and groaning and expecting a free ride. And Hey!

theres nothing wrong with black and white movies either.

Me= I DO mind bing told I cant sack some little thief who has just stolen from my till! No three warnings I am afraid.

We need to get right away from Churches being involved in running the aid relief.
It ought to be done by a trained group of practicles.
Start with birth control and follow with small farming and education.
Just be careful not to give all!@ of yourself to others Amel because they will take it and come back for more.
There is no answer to greed just spend your time seeking out friends that share your own humanity. When you do always be ready to share your six loaves of bread with them and tell the others to bugger off.

Also remember there is great kindness sometimes in saying no to people.

It teaches them respect for nice people like yourself.

Something thats lacking these days I am sad to say.

You ought to know Amel you are also your mothers gift and she will always be near you never leaving your side.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Saturday, 28 April 2007 8:53:38 AM
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Amel's big head continues to grow.

He believes that he has the ability to feel compassion for everyone!

I suggest that he is not the best judge of himself - particularly as he admits that people who are not like him make him angry.
Posted by Leigh, Saturday, 28 April 2007 10:36:45 AM
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Leigh: "Amel's big head continues to grow.

He believes that he has the ability to feel compassion for everyone!

I suggest that he is not the best judge of himself - particularly as he admits that people who are not like him make him angry."

Leigh, Amel's statement that he is able to feel compassion for everybody is hardly an egotistical claim - rather, it seems to be a humble statement of thanks that he is able to recognise the innate humanity of all people and feel compassion for them, whether or not he likes or agrees with them.

This, of course, would include miserable old gits like you, who harbour and promote selfish and hateful attitudes towards others that are the antithesis of the peace for which Amel and others (including me) strive. It is also why we even feel compassion towards you, despite the fact that you've rarely a good word to say about anybody who doesn't share your narrow worldview and demographic.

Try and have nice day, won't you?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Saturday, 28 April 2007 11:41:01 AM
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People against live exports and intensive farming-: "always be ready to share your six loaves of bread with others."

and what if you have 8children a wife and old mother and father and brothers and sisters who are starving? What if the bread is only enough to keep them alive. Who would you give it to then, them or others? Your premise of compassion for others is based on enough to share. It is easy for a kid with lots of spare toys to give some away to others but it is harder when the child has nothing to give.

This is the point I am making in my post about the six loaves of bread that at the survival level man is not ultruistic to those outside his family unless he has enough to share around.
It literally comes down to let your children and mother and father die or feed the neighbours. What choice will you make.

Don't think you are the only one that understands the misery and has compassion for the sufferings of others in terrible circumstances around the world. But that doesnt alter the fact that man will act in the interests of his family first when comes right down to the level of real survival.
Posted by sharkfin, Sunday, 29 April 2007 5:37:17 PM
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people against live exports may I say you bore me?
That your one sided rants amuse but annoy me?
Workchoices is not in any way what you so wrongly claim it is.
How can you ask us to value your opinions if you can not understand it s about those who work not those who do not?
A country man I never had a job that the boss did not ask me to stay in after I said I was going.
Australia, and the polls show clearly workchoices is mostly unwanted, can you not see it is about workers not non workers?
Can you see in your post the failure to understand the issues I find in your threads?
National party members need to get out more find names for sons that are not names of Scottish breeds of cattle like Angus and Brangus, read the paper watch the polls .
Understand why it is too late for John Howard to be elected and understand why you bore me.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 29 April 2007 5:43:23 PM
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Sharkfin
Wouldnt have eights children unless I was wealthy. Which was my point. Australia cant survive on welfare.
= pale May I say you bore me.?
Pale replies- You 'May'
Understand your postion. Happens when people are unable to look at both sides.
Who said any Government got it one hundred percent.
Certainly not me.
Not pro John Howard if you read my many posts.

However because you do not agree with something in a policy it doesnt mean you should not look at the whole of a proposal.

The Howard Government have said there are some things that have been pointed out to them that they would be prepaired to look at.

Thats more than Rudd has said. When you are in a small business - these people demanding unreasonable rights can break you.
Ok I will give you an example.
Stealing- From a small business. People just cant carry that and Nor should they have to. Lazy workers who turn up late and dont work anyway even when they are there. Workers with bad attiutdes towards your customers and other staff.
Everybody should be free to say under those cicumstances bugger off you are destroying my family business.

Oh sure there are ways Belly but it can just about wipe you out by the time you go through the process and they know it and play on it.

Another example- The AMIEU were screaming about jobs being lost by the cruel live export tade and many other things.
Screaming to reopen abattoirs and supply jobs which in return mean members.
The WA Small Business Minister lady has just bloked up from opening those very plants.?
What ever happend to labours fair go for all Aussies?,equal rights.
Why cant the company open a abattoir in WA. under labour.

Isnt labour meant to represent the working class? What about their members AMIEU- I heard through a good source the AMIEU were told to back off.
Out of all the screaming about work rights In Australia they are noticable absent.

Some might say gagged.

Question is Why?
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Sunday, 29 April 2007 7:14:42 PM
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People against live exports-:

You dont have eight children because you ARE wealthy. People in poor countries dont have the choice of family planning.

Contraception and childcare allow the earning of two wages in this country without those benefits of a wealthy country it would be back to male breadwinner at least until the youngest had gone to school and with bigger families that could be quite a few years. We couldnt let babies run wild in the streets uncared for could we.

I agree with you on the live exports thing I think its cruel to the animals. Sort of like the trains the jews were crowded into by the Germans.
Posted by sharkfin, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:42:27 AM
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Sharkfin

I guess we could all learn from Amel.
I cant help getting cross when our own aboriginal people are so neglected.
You asked me about the six loaves of bread. Well if I were honest I would give mine up to the aboriginal people.
They had been forgotton. Its was their turn.

I am sorry Amel if I dissapoint you however to me its just plain stupid to pump millions into feeding starving kids to keep them alive to reproduce more. We need to look after our own first.

Churches should not be taking millions from hard working people unless its being used in a practicle sense.

Use the money to sterilise more than half of these people at least.

Start working at the problem that way.

If they wont to do that they should hand the job over to a practicle bunch of people who can and will.

They say its easier to do the men. "Then do that." "Do it quickly".

As for here In Australia Sharkfin- We have the highest rate in the world of unmarried mothers.

That means all those women just living off welfare. Its no way to teach children how to live. They grow up and see mum getting money off the tax payer and follow.

Kids learn from their parents.

You mentioned the two parent working family. Umm Well the difference is in the old days people planned and saved for years to buy a house "before' they were married.

Then they "saved and planned" for years so the women could leave work to start a family if thats what they wanted.

Now its have baby first after a few months of knowing the bloke[ or days] go to welfare and say- You must suppport me and my baby and where is my house and free medical free childcare.
No principle in these days I am afraid.
None.
There is part of the problem Sharkfin.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 30 April 2007 5:54:30 AM
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People against every thing this thread is about a more caring world, one of peace.
You involve workchoices and say it is about dole budging or some such thing?
Then we drift all over the shop from Aboriginals to what new place?
Man cares about self interest first second and third.
You your self introduce a union to the debate to help your side of the debate.
Is it not clear to you no market exists for the meat you want killed in Australia?
That the export of live sheep came about because of this?
That no market exists in the middle east for one more processed carcase?
And do you understand the dreadful conditions out native Australians live under have been funded by all sides of politics who are not prepared to make real jobs and real accountability from both that community and ours part of the solution?
As a start to the caring world we all want, surely we all want it?
Lets drop the idiot idea that only white Australia is to blame for the tragic life of settlement Aboriginals.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 30 April 2007 7:46:07 AM
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Belly
Cool Name - Tar. Love It. Pretty right too. I mean we are not in JHs camp or Rudds. I guess that makes us dangerously honest.
I am trying to make sense of some of your comments. I have come up with this.
You dont have a clue. I know you think you do- but the truth is you dont.
For God Sake read some of the material put up by others.

Look at the AFIC Media R saying the opposite. Would you know more about Halal carcuss meats than them? I think NOT. You speak of there being no more room for cacuss trade in the ME. Are you insane? Or just like many totally misinformed. Who on earth told you that rubbish/ Dont tell me let me guess? The Industry of course!.

Its true there is not much assistance through the normal chanels and that its purley because those in the industry of the cruel live exports "push ther own cart".
Hey you want to vote Rudd. Its a free world. Go right ahead.
Ask him why the AMIEU is so quite. Go on ask. Ask why the WA AMIEU are not screaming about the WA small biz Minister blocking workers to operate plants.
Oh Yes well we do have to protect people dont we.
Gagged as I hear it. Or no game to tell the Farmers and Australian people the real agenda.
The fact is- Belly That we WILL be opening plants and we will be selling carcass to ME.
I have plenty! of ME and Malaysian customers waiting. Also Many others.
Now Aboriginal people also must take some reasonsibilty.
Yes the ones who took the Government money for their people and squandered it.
I just do the best I can to help Animals Farmers and - yes I have a soft spot for the elderly and aboriginal people.
I love Australia and real Aissies. Love country people the bush the beach etc.
Not much time for welfare blugers but heaps of time for the truely needy.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:32:39 PM
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