Fixing the problems of the ALP policy making
requires more than changed leadership. The control
by party machine men and relying on bad research to
justify egregious policies that prove the government
if tougher than the opposition would still be there
if the PM was removed or left.

As for the carbon tax issue...

There is a gulf of difference between a broken promise in the
context of altered circumstances and a deliberate decision
to mislead. To accuse the PM of lying, to argue that the
carbon pricing scheme is based on a deliberate pre-meditated lie
in itself display some towering mendacity.

That it has persisted for so long and spawned the name "Ju-liar,"
says more about Mr Abbott's guile and ability to manipulate the
facts for his own destructive ends then it does about the PM's
trustworthiness.

Claiming that the cost of a lamb roast will soar to $100, that
whole towns and industires will disappear and that our entire
economy will be laid to rest - dear oh dear.

As for WA election results... the following sums things up
rather nicely:

"Labor's the party of government activism the party that says
government can make you - richer, smarter, healthier.
The Libs are the party that tells is government doesn't work,
and then they get elected and prove it!"

Ask Queensland and Victoria.

Lexi my sweet, Gillard could have got away with a lie or two. The carbon tax one was a bit bold, particularly the following lie, that the greens made her do it. It is what followed that confirmed her difficulty with the truth.

The greens were her captive, more than she was theirs. They were going to support her anyway, she did not have to buy them, so another lie there.

Then we have things like the National Disability Insurance Scheme, a wild promise to be implemented in the never never. Any thinking person, with basic arithmetic, can look at the national accounts, & see that this, like oh so many of her promises, is just not affordable. To implement it would bankrupt us all.

It is this type of recklessness, not caring who is hurt in the long run, that makes her so despised. She must know it is not possible, & therefor another lie.

I suppose it is almost possible that her understanding of math is that bad she doesn't know what she is doing. One can only assume Swannies is, with his promises of a surplus, when again, everyone knew it was not possible.

If this pair are not lying, they must be delusional. What ever the case, they have to go as soon as possible, along with any fools that have aided & abetted them.

And if you watched 4 Corners exposure of Obeid, Macdonald, et al last night you would never want to vote Labor (NSW or national) - ever again.

The big question is: Is Labor dead or just going to be obliterated over the next few years?

Wait until they start making the arrests following the ICAC hearings. I bet the NSW Libs will be trying their hardest to stack the benches during the trials with their own judges in order to do maximum damage to Labor.

And, my God! Has anyone ever noticed the physical resemblance between Ian Macdonald and the Devil?

This mornings poll is bad news for the Australian Labor Party!
Extraordinary thing to say?
Maybe but true.
This is the year my heart breaks, can any one think I want an Abbott/Turnbull victory?
How many understand that poll, if taken only in QLD WA NSW would spell *Landslide for Liberals*?
Who fully understand who dumped Rudd, and even I doupt it was because they thought Gillard was better.
Are we aware of the ownership of Federal Labors right, inside and out of the house?
Do we understand that faction sheltered and gave its power to Obied?
REFORM, why has Gillard school yard bully boys team stood in front of it?
A leader, any one but Gillard, would have little trouble with Abbott.
If I named, and I can, the power behind the dumping of Rudd, in and out of Parliament, I would be considered a traitor.
Yet in 20 years my words would be seen as quite true, the predictions of damage to my party,s brand having come true.
But too the reforms I now beg for will be well in place.
Those who would today call me traitor know this,you may well be that.
No man should hide the wrongs in his side, the fact that Abbott is unfit to lead a bike race is no reason to say we should,without change and reform, win.
Yet I will to the last second beg my party to try to win, election, not personal battles over future leadership dreams.

Dear Hasbeen,

Interesting times ahead that's for sure.
Voters usually get it right in the end.

Belly, you said;
If I named, and I can, the power behind the dumping of Rudd, in and
out of Parliament, I would be considered a traitor.

Can you see that this is the basic cause of the Labour Party's problem ?

In this you are putting the Union, or Party above Australia.
I think most of us believe that the future of the Labour party is
important for democracy in Australia. Even the Liberals can see this.
After all they promote the principle of competition.
I suspect that you are hinting that the AWU was the power behind the
dumping of Rudd. When you tot up the number of ex AWU officials in
the government that seems feasible.