'evening there BELLY...

You're well I hope, I see you still in there sluggin' it out with those, who denigrate your beloved Labour Party. Matey, you well know my politics, but I'll always admire you for your loyalty to Labour. Though I'll always be a conservative, this batch of Liberals we've got in Canberra at the moment, sure worry me ?

They've proclaimed they'll turn the boats around...do you think ? They might initially, until some faceless, unknown office dweller, in the UN says '...hey you Aussies, you know you must abide by our convention...? So Mr Malcolm Turnbull will rush out into the surf and beckon them all to return, no doubt with Mrs Hansen-Hummmm hanging on tightly to his coat tails ?

Is there NO ONE in Canberra, who's got the courage to tell the UN, that it's -> -> WE -> -> US, -> -> the Aussies population, who decide who can enter our country ? Not some clerk in the United Nations. Why is it then, given public opinion, not one pollie in Canberra will tell them ?

ONTHEBEACH...

You mustn't cast aspersions against our beloved 'Greens' ? That bespoke Party (due recognition to Dr Robert Brown) who's provided us all with such political stability ? Occasioned to us, by the tireless efforts of that scholarly, erudite group of Senators, situated in Canberra. Who, from what I've been reliably informed, have a combined IQ of; two points above that of plant life ?

We owe so much to these these political gardeners ?

o sung wu,

It is simply astonishing that Bob Brown and his partner have not taken some 'asylum seekers' to their bosoms. Especially now that Bob is retired on the generous golden handshake 'the handshake keeps on giving' from those little hard working Aussies.

There are bugger all 'asylum seekers' placed in Tasmania, and seeing that Bob is so fond of 'diversity' he should walk the talk at home.

It is astonishing hypocrisy that Sarah Hyphenated, Christine Milne and other Greens who polish Senate seats are similarly unmoved to take an 'asylum seeker' in to give him housing with a home cooked meal.

State Greens too, why doesn't that rather tedious, headline hunting fool David Shoebridge do something productive for once and take an 'asylum seeker' into his abode? It would be better than him playing apprentice to the equally dull and predictable Lee Rhiannon (Brown). As if she would offer too.

Typical Greens, noses firmly in the public trough of taxpayers' money and thinking that there is plenty more where their $$'s came from.

Evening there ONTHEBEACH...

They're nothing but a waste of space these greens. And as you so precisely put it, they have their collective noses deep within the public purse, almost like a feeding frenzy ? Yet, please tell me, what exactly do they do to earn their money ? In any other private or public enterprise, they would need to justify themselves, justify the money we, the 'mug' Aussie taxpayer keeps paying them.

I really don't know my friend, I feel so impotent ? Yet, try as I might, there's not a damn thing that I can think off that any of us can do about it ? Save for registering our Vote (very carefully) in September.

Another thing that you're so very correct about - That 'cadaverous' looking Bob Brown, hitherto known as 'Lurch the Undertaker', still skulking in and around Tasmania, frightening animals and small children. Is still drawing a handsome 'package', again from us 'mug' taxpayers ! Yet all he's ever achieved in his political life is causing instability in Parliament, with his weird, unnatural, and odd protestations about all and nothing.

Yet he's still seen, this frightening, strangely odd, lanky corpse like figure, shuffling around the dark recesses of Hobart at night ? For heaven knows what, but it's sure very spooky ?.........and he was actually getting paid for it !

Still, if I were ever to come across him in the dead of night, I'd probably recoil in fright myself. Such is the frightening image he represents, a tableaux right out of a horror film ? A very spooky fellow is Bob ?

o sung wo I am grateful you and I are posting mates, with some times differing views.
I am afraid this issue has many sides, but to me at least it is one of the most important in this country.
While I brand myself bigot, it is not true.
You tell about Islam, it is not just my view, but fact, that belief system props up our dislike indeed stronger thoughts, about boat people/line jumpers.
Now two groups will insult me, the extremes such as Philip s and the other side?
Green left just well meaning others who see only the pain and not the out comes of open gate migration/invasion.
Yes Labor failed, but Abbott and the dreadful greens sit on their chests not allowing the only action that will end the boats.
Too good a tool for Abbott TOO MUCH TO ASK FROM A PROTEST PARTY LIKE THE IDIOT GREENS.
Islamic Migration, by any means, is a betrayal of future Australians,by both sides.
Any government with the guts to leave the UN over refugees and migration will be unbeatable.
Those about to charge at me, consider the filth who taunted family's of our dead soldiers in court this week.
Tell me of the good folk who tied down a man and flogged him!
Do not bother, you have no chance of convincing me we are not in danger from a primitive belief in a God that never existed.

G'day BELLY old man...

We may well have a wide divergence of opinions in our respective political philosophies, but that as we both know, is an essential component of our democracy.

However, all of us who like to regularly contribute to our beloved Forum, must share our collective concerns, about this burgeoning, unregulated flow of boat people coming into our country, who are seemingly 'stateless' ? What else can I possibly deduce ? Most arrive here without any acceptable form of identification ?

Many pass through the Republic of Indonesia ? And in order to gain entry, they MUST first traverse through Indonesian Immigration Control ? Obviously they possessed 'something' in which to identify themselves to the Indonesians ?

Yet, between Java and the first Australian Territory, they purposely and consciously cast aside, all and any means of identification ? Why ? What have they to hide ? Is it as ONTHEBEACH has suggested, if they possess ID, it makes it easier for Oz authorities to deport them ? Perhaps his right ? As an ex cop, this really concerns me, in fact this whole thing as a decided 'stink' about it ?

Moreover, I think the Oz public are being 'blindsided' by this government ? A government who were/are elected to protect us, and to safeguard our collective interests ?

All the while, we have these loony non-representational hacks, bleating away, tediously from the sidelines, and a small group of corporately clever lawyers, making a real commercial killing by defending the morally indefensible !

As a civilised humane society. We MUST give aid, and succur to all those legitimate people who are fleeing their respective countries, where they find themselves in perilous, life threatening circumstances. But we're not obliged to harbour those people who simply wish to have an 'express access' to our generous benevolence, by attempting to circumvent the United Nation's well defined queue.

The complex nature of humanitarian displacement calls
for a comprehensive policy response. There are no easy
answers or quick fixes.

I'm for onshore processing of refugees.

However if people don't like the laws of the land that
afford asylum-seekers appeal rights equal to those of
Australians. Change the laws. If people don't like the
international responsibility of being a signatory to the
UN Conventions on refugees - rip up the agreement.

Then our political leaders can do whatever they like
without being in violation of the very laws that they
are elected to uphold.