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Onshore or offshore refugees?

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JKJ,
You said, "I can't see why everyone directs their ire at the refugees"
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Firstly they are illegal entrants not refugees.

Secondly they get our ire because they are dishonest, deceitfull and con artists who deliberately set out to deceive our authorities.

They pay nmany times nore than the air fare to smugglers because they want to hide where they came from. We are being taken for fools, which is correct.

Any bona fide refugee, with the funds, would come via the front door. and put his case for proper assesment.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 2 March 2013 10:20:32 AM
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Jardine,
You certainly have some enlightened ideas –I’ll have reevaluate my initial (poor) assessment of you!

On our point of difference: <<How would you know whether their main motivation is economic or not? Have you asked them? I'm thinkin, no>>

Well as it turns out, yes, I have asked them…but more about that later

There is a simple (litmus) test: if someone was running for their lives wouldn’t you think they’d grab the first (IN FACT, ANY!) safe haven? If I felt so threatened I’d accept haven on ruddy South Georgia Island.

But our asylum scammers, it seems, are quite choosy:

Most pass through many countries prior to arriving in OZ –and yes, most of those countries may not be signatories to the convention, but as pointed out many still do offer safe haven – but very, very few of our asylum seeker even attempt to seek asylum in such countries.

Do you remember the Viking Princess fiasco. When we rescued asylum scammers off the coast of Java and they refused to disembark at an Indonesia port. Then they gave us list of acceptable countries –every one of them a western welfare state—and while our prime minister scurried around the world trying to meet their demands we served them up culturally appropriated meals! ( it wasn’t so serious it would be hilarious!)

And, are you aware that it is now coming to light that a good number of our Sri Lankan Tamils are actually coming to us from India. They’ve spent years in India –or in some cases they are simply Indian Tamils --but have now decided Oz offers greener pastures.
Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 2 March 2013 11:43:34 AM
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Now for “Did I ask them?”

I actually used to tutor “refugees”. And what got me thinking was one day, I was commiserating with one about the bad times in the old country when he smiled and said “The best thing that ever happen was that war because it gave me and my family and excuse to come to Australia”.I probed asking his experiences with the bad guys. He laughed and said they were no threat to him, he’d actually been back home since his arrival a number of times. I found once you establish sufficient rapport, i.e. established there was no threat to their residency or benefits—or no extra benefits to be had in maintaining the alibi --this was a common story.

I also recall meeting and marching and demonstrating with another (rather large) group of asylum scammers who talked openly about the need to have themselves photographed outside their country’s consulate, as it could be used a proof positive they hated their govt and needed protection –most later returned either on R&R –or even to work! for that (hated) foreign govt
Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 2 March 2013 11:46:07 AM
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Whenever I see the epithet of HASBEEN, I'm always drawn to his comments. This individual never seeks to mix his words, nor wraps his views in elaborate tissue paper. He says what he says, and like it or lump it ? I wish I had his courage, I really do. But I haven't...sadly.

As a former policeman...I know, I know, - you've all heard me say it often enough, ad nauseam ! This whole issue of illegal boat people, tricking or conning our weak government, is to me irrelevant.

What concerns me most, as well as many of my former POLICE colleagues, is this unchecked proliferation into Australia, (seemingly by stealth) of ISLAM ! Many illegals are Islamic, and whatever their motives are for coming here, they bring with them, their hardcore Islamic values and beliefs ! Beliefs that are substantially inconsistant with our traditional Australian values and our culture. Unfortunately, we are already able to see the inexorable emergence of some of these Medieval, Islamic practices, the likes of Sharia law ?

I can absolutely attest, there are suburbs, areas, streets, in and around Sydney and environs, that are awash with Islamic folk, some of which are almost deemed 'no go areas' for police, unless they enter in force.

If it were just merely another religion, nobody would care. But it's not ! And worse, theres NOBODY with the courage to 'speak out' lest we offend them ? You don't believe me ? Look around ? Even the Shock Jocks on talk back radio are scared to say anything against them ? Polititians, from ANY political party ? Nor anyone in Police command, the public service, the Church...NOBODY !

Except one (1) lonely, unknown Dutch polititian (I can't even remember his name?) is all ? We're a couragerous lot, we Aussies ?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:43:18 PM
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In truth few Australians are content to see these folk come.
We get to hear and see the do gooders [how did we name something so bad do gooders?] tell us we are bigots.
But in truth we are not.
Our country,s welfare payments are an attractant, some will not fail to see.
A great world, so very mixed up, on one hand saying we need to increase the population.
Then warning ,rightly, of the very real dangers of doing just that.
It will not be easy, but Abbott will stop the boats, even if he has to use policy,s others failed to get by the senate.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 2 March 2013 2:54:13 PM
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But are they really 'do gooders'? All of the available evidence says otherwise. For instance only four 'asylum seekers' are in home care despite the generous government allowances available.

Yet one would have imagined that the 'do gooders' like the Greens who demand that the doors be thrown open to all comers would be bending over backwards to help them, especially where they can be paid to do so.

So the moral high ground claimed by Greens and other lefties is not deserved at all. Their morality is one that is inflicted on others: "You do what we say but don't expect us to do the same".

Where is the morality in encouraging a trade that results in so many lives lost at sea?

Where is the morality in throwing open the doors to all comers while steadfastly dishonoring (as 'breeders' and worse) and discouraging young Aussie couples who want to have children.

One could go on further, but the choice is clear, just throw the lying Greens and left out of Office ASAP. What a mistake it is to vote Greens into the Senate!
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 2 March 2013 5:35:51 PM
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