Producer... Very well reasoned and put. Thanks.

Hay Ybgirp, how about a run down in those "useful employment in ecologically sustainable activities that, being labour intensive will be fulfilling, not demoralising" jobs. They sound ghastly to me.

Infact that sounds like a full pie in the sky story to me. If you want to gain any respect, name these great jobs, rather than prattle on about some mythical garbage.

Just to remind you, I & my mates are carnivores, so boiled turnips is not going to make it around here as the new diet.

There are a lot more non-miner voters than mining billionaires, so it will only be our fault if they determine Australia's future. 1,000 voters could for a miserly $33 each put over 200,000 informative messages into MPs inboxes over a year or so, with MPs reactions carefully monitored. That would beat mining billions hands down, because money is mostly useful to politicians in its ability to buy votes. But we voters actually control the votes, so when we speak up in the right way we have control. That is why I invented and have provided Votergrams for 27 years. We do not make a big fuss and we let politicians take the credit. We don't get well known because we offer them at a price low enough for almost the poorest and subsidise them by doing other work. No party politics. No other preferences. What I want for Australia is irrelevant. What 22 million Australians want is vital, so Votergrams are used to get the community's views across to government.They have helped save Blue Gum Forests, stop foreign food imports, cut the road toll and get people's relatives hospital care. We have control when we take control. All are welcome to join or host our Residents Roundtables, to take the initiative and give government an idea of what we want.

I doubt whether the Greens and others would have the money to live the lavish lifestyles many of them do if not for mining. Russia and other failed baltic states are testament to communist failure. The leaders of the Greens are generally to self righteous to see that along with church leaders, unionist and others they are just are open to corruption as the mining companies. Look at the gw warming scam that many of them have cahsed in on. Before that it was the ozone layer. Their perverted social policies such as what they call gay 'marriage'displays they are more interested in social engineering than bettering society.

There is only one thing I could say of Gina Rinehart: "She is a very wealthy person."

That's it. There's absolutely nothing else that I think anybody could ever say of her.

Hay Ybgirp, I'm still waiting for that list of jobs mate.

Don't tell me they were just a figment of your imagination, & disappeared in a poof of smoke, when you tried to actually see them.

Actually your silence confirms they were all wishful thinking, like all your mobs bulldust.