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Are mining billionaires determining Australia’s future?

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As Senator Christine Milne the Greens leader claimed in her address to the National Press Club, is Australian democracy at the crossroads? Is our future as a nation being determined by mining billionaires in their boardrooms in the interest of themselves and their overseas shareholders? Are the Labor and Coalition parties nothing more than the servants of big miners protecting the vested interest of mining corporations at the expense of the interests of the broader Australian community?
The full speech and interview with Senator Christine Milne;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-19/national-press-club-christine-milne/4527708
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 21 February 2013 7:26:51 AM
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/original-mining-tax-would-cost-billions-20130220-2erqk.html

Every time Milne opens her mouth she sounds like an unreasonable child, but that's Greens for ya. She must realize why the tax hasn't raked in a lot yet, but bellyaches just the same. Time must pass before the tax can be properly judged, but its revenue should go into the future fun while that time passes, and budgets should exclude it, IMO, due to its volatile market-linked nature.

Interesting that BHP paid the majority of tax collected so far http://www.smh.com.au/business/bhp-billiton-pays-77m-in-mining-tax-20130220-2er7l.html

Happy to see the child left home yesterday, and good riddance.
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 21 February 2013 1:38:40 PM
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"future fun"? . Future Fund!
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 21 February 2013 1:40:24 PM
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Paul lets face it greens have been gone fron the day tweedledum and Tweedleddummer took over.
Labor will fall and rise again your mob? just fall.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 21 February 2013 3:14:18 PM
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Just a side bar, why bag the miners who are nothing if not productive. Our former people’s bank, the Commonwealth has set a record half yearly profit of near 4 BILLION...and bankers produce nothing...just an obvious juxtaposition. That was our bank, but Labor sold it off….do you believe it Labor not the Libs stole our bank.

Regarding the miners, I have an interesting fact regarding the Billiton swindle of BHP. If you follow the price of the Australian dollar during an 18 month period with the sale date to Billiton at the centre, the graph looks like a smile. The two high points on either end are around .65 cents….Billiton purchased in the guts at .49 cents.

The banks steal from us.
The miners steal from us.
This Labor government steals from us.

We are orphans folks, we have no peoples representatives.
Posted by sonofgloin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 3:53:13 PM
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The Greens think Labor is selling Oz down the river and Tony says he'd never do deals, due to his amazing integrity, http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/greens-deal-fatally-compromised-gillard-government-from-the-start-says-tony-abbott/story-fncvk70o-1226581795046

"Mr Abbott said he had not been prepared to make deals with the Greens or independents that were inconsistent with coalition principles following the 2010 election."

But Tony Windsor suggests Mr Abbott's integrity can bend ever so slightly when there is a deal to be done http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K2fRMy5rxuM

Mr Slipper once enjoyed protection under Mr Abbott's cloak of integrity before he took the Speaker's chair.

Mr Abbott's flexible integrity even allows him to gloat at the failure of the introduction of a mining tax, that he opposrd on behalf of the mining barons for who knows what in return, to gather the revenue anticipated.

The Greens did a deal with Labor but won't look around them at what has been achieved in coalition instead of ruing that their absolute demands have been unmet on a every front. Politics is the art of the possible in the face of the forces lined up against you. The Greens should see that that further demands may be possible with a further term of government in coalition but, no, they have to have their tanty and show how mightily principled they are, even when they're not. What a bunch of unreasonable children who want it all and want it now.
Posted by Luciferase, Thursday, 21 February 2013 8:39:55 PM
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Luciferase, I agree with all that, but the Coalition did not ruin an economy in 5 years. Batards the Libs and the gutless Nationals are, they are competent managers of the economy. The lot that Abbott comes from repaid a $90 Billion Hawke/ Keating debt leaving $20 Billion in the bank for Kev, who spent it in his first year.

Get real Luciferase, not ideological, they are crap..
Posted by sonofgloin, Thursday, 21 February 2013 9:15:24 PM
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It is just the Greens protest party hunting headlines.

There is a lot the Greens should be held accountable for. But will the ABC or others ever do it?
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 21 February 2013 10:49:32 PM
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Good to see the loveable Gina Rinehart has friends on the forum, possibly fellow billionaires. I wonder if these friends are prepared to sell Australia short, so Rinehart and co can reap super profits from resources which after all belong to the people. Even the arch conservative Paul Howes recognises that.
The Greens do not have a "problem" with mining, per say, providing it is undertaken in an appropriate manner with due regard to people and the environment. Call us a protest party, yes we are, we will protest every time our fellow man is treated unfairly. Today thanks to the Labor Party, all of use, excluding a few mining billionaires, are being ripped off. The mining tax was supposedly going to allow the ordinary Australian to share in the benefits of the countries resources boom. Unfortunately the conservatives within Labor got into bed with the big three miners and stitched up a deal which see's these billionaires selling off the farm to their total benefit. Could one expect anything less from a party that allows a government minister to stitch up deals that gives million of dollars to party cronies.
Abbott and his mod will go a step further, making sure the Gina Rinehart's of this world get even richer than Labor would allow, at the expense of the ordinary Australian. Perhaps Tony will benefit to, Gina might give him a ride in her personal jet, as good old Barnaby Joyce and Julie Bishop got. Now we can all sleep soundly in the knowledge that the Coalition in government will be, if nothing else, the lap dogs of the mining billionaires.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 22 February 2013 5:40:56 AM
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I agree with Julia Gillard on this one.
The Greens are largely a "protest party".
Labor, and EVERYONE, would better off without them.

Vote Liberal ONE.
Vote Labor ONE.
But-- always-- put the Greens LAST!
Posted by SPQR, Friday, 22 February 2013 5:52:25 AM
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Please do that SPQR;
Vote Liberal ONE.
Vote Labor ONE.
But-- always-- put the Greens LAST!
Another invalid vote.
Just a thought for SPQR and others. After September 14th. I would like you to look skywards, from your hovels (well your house compared to Gina's). And by chance you may see a tiny silver speck, way up in the sky, it may well be a jet plane with Gina at the controls, and as they wave happily at you peasants below, the occupants of Gina's jet, Tony, Barnaby, Julia and co will drop a dirty big lump of iron ore smack bang, and crash right on top of your hovels. A pleasant thought because the rock will be personally autographed by Gina with the touching message "YOUR SHARE OF THE MINING BOOM."
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 22 February 2013 6:17:55 AM
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Come the election, if you do not fully under stand the preferential voting system, most do not.
Vote first preference as you wish, but put the greens last, of you may end up voting for them.
When will we get the right to have one vote one value.
Our Senate is a joke, all upper houses are, we by voting party lines put true dills in the place.
And some do not know how they helped.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 22 February 2013 7:03:09 AM
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Free enterprise and capitalism is not the perfect system but it is better than the alternative.

Gina Rinehart is constantly bagged for being too rich by half. Maybe she has some personality faults and treats her children badly, She could easily have just lived on her inheritance and retired comfortably on the money, but she chose to follow a dream and open her own mine. As a consequence she employs many people and creates wealth not only for herself, but the country is also a beneficiary. We need entrepreneurs like her in Australia. Unfortunately the envy of socialists like the Greens tend to restrain this sort of thing and all they want to do is redistribute to many that do not want to contribute, but who will always take the largess offered
Posted by snake, Friday, 22 February 2013 7:30:13 AM
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I wonder if Paul1405 and his ilk realise that their pathetic existence is only possible because people with a back bone like Rinehart decided to dig a hole in the ground. Heaven forbid they'd get off their own arses, risk everything they own and create a future for themselves and many others, rather than wait for a hand out from those that have.

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Are mining billionaires determining Australia’s future?
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Yeah. They're evil. Those damn, hardworking miners. They've created the means for bludging green and labour leftards to sit on their fat arses all day and think of a 1000 ways to denigrate hard working doers and steal their labour.

What a future we have awaiting under these losers!
Posted by RawMustard, Friday, 22 February 2013 9:49:24 AM
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Are mining billionaires determining Australia’s future?
Paul1405,
Not deter-mining but under-mining.
Posted by individual, Friday, 22 February 2013 8:12:41 PM
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Belly once again you surprise me with your anti Greens post. Are you saying you are prepared to, and advocating putting extreme right wing parties higher on the ballot than the Greens, if you are I have every right to label you a fascist, as I from time to time correctly label others on the forum. From your previous posts I do not believe you are such a person, a conservative yes, fascist no, most likely caught up in Labor hysteria about their imminent doom, which is most unfortunate in my way of thinking. I would never advocate putting Labor or Liberal last on a ballot when such action could result in the election of Nazi extremest, maybe that was the way Hitler came to power in 1933, some misguided conservatives thought Hitler could be controlled for their benefit, I don't know.
The Senate has a vital roll to play as a house of review, and the leading democracies in the world recognise this, and most have an upper house of parliament which performs this most necessary function. There are those, such as you who for short term political advantage will call for the abolition of the Senate from time to time, fortunately your cries fall mostly on deaf ears.
You ask; "When will we get the right to have one vote one value."
2010 federal election the Labor Party 38% of the vote, 485 of the seats. could not agree more
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:03:14 AM
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maybe that was the way Hitler came to power in 1933
Paul1405,
my understanding is that 1930's Germany was in a similar albeit much larger state of affairs to what Australia is in now. Too much minority interference & also too much outside dictating similar to mining here i.e. exploitation of the country & its people. The main reason the germans stood up was that they had a gut full of incompetence within officialdom, much like here now.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:41:08 AM
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individual, is this the clanger of the century;
"The main reason the germans stood up was that they had a gut full of incompetence within officialdom, much like here now." So they pissed off von Schleicher and got Hitler, lucky Germans. Can we say so they pissed off Gillard and got Abbott. lucky Australians. I can see the analogy.
p/s i know all about the rise of Hitler.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 23 February 2013 9:25:07 AM
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No,the mining billionaires do not determine our futures,the banksters to create money from nothing have always done so.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 23 February 2013 4:26:06 PM
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they pissed off Gillard and got Abbott. lucky Australians. I can see the analogy.
Paul1405,
re Hitler...no chance of that happening here. Hitler actually mobilised a massive rebuild first unlike Gillard.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 23 February 2013 5:16:06 PM
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Indi, I loved that clanger of yours but it seemed to go right over your head. I'll explain it, so you to can have a lough. I made a comment to Belly about putting the Greens last on the ballot paper saying maybe that is how Hitler got elected. You then chimed in trying to compare 1930's Germany to Australia now. In my usual satirical fashion I said;
"So they pissed off Von Schleicher and got Hitler, lucky Germans. Can we say so they pissed off Gillard and got Abbott. lucky Australians. I can see the analogy." In case you didn't know Von Schleicher was the German Chancellor before Hitler. How on earth could replacing Von Schleicher with Hitler be "lucky" by any stretch of the imagination, 20 million dead, half of Europe destroyed, all thanks to Hitler.
You said; "The main reason the germans stood up was that they had a gut full of incompetence" like as if it was the right decision, yes replace the incompetent Von Schleicher, but what did they get, the maniac Hitler. So with your comparison between Germany 1930's and Australia today, I sarcastically said "Can we say so they pissed off Gillard (Von Scheicher) and got Abbott (Hitler). lucky Australians. as I said I think it went right over your head.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 24 February 2013 7:15:28 AM
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as I said I think it went right over your head.
Paul1405,
how can getting Abbott be worse than having Gillard ? And yes , we can safely compare the society of 1930 Germany with that Of Australia today. Both on the brink, you just see the brink as a rose garden whereas in reality they're flowers on a grave.
I fail to see how you can fail to see the situation we're facing in australia. I can only assume that you are part of the group that wants to bring this country down for some religious fanatical purpose. Australia is bogged & if we don't get pulled out soon. Well, better give the bible a miss & start learning the Koran. Ah, & you can forget about leave loading. As o sung wu pointed out they don't have hourly rates either. When I was in Asia they hadn't a clue when I enquired about the hourly rate. A sign of things to come thanks to people like you. I still think you actually want this.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 24 February 2013 8:34:49 AM
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Are mining billionaires determining Australia’s future?

Oh god lets hope so. With their record of proven success, even a few crumbs off their table would be much richer pickings than the total loss we are experiencing with the current lot.

The whole bl00dy lot, Gillard/Rudd, our bureaucrats, & academics combined have never run a single project profitably. Not only unprofitable, they are continually way over budget, if the project actually comes to completion.

That one of the harpies from the south, Christine Milne, is the one suggesting having mining magnates run the show would be bad, is a real joke. These green twits have totally destroyed the economy of Tasmania. They have turned the once proud Tasmanians into a groveling beggar state, totally dependent on the mining states to keep them alive.

It really would be funny, if it weren't such a catastrophe.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 24 February 2013 11:32:33 AM
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our bureaucrats, & academics combined have never run a single project profitably.
Hasbeen,
i am totally at a loss how these people get selected in the first place. Isn't there some sort of competency test for those jobs ? They are quite happy to bludge off the mining profits but wouldn't know one end of a shovel from the other. I have really come to the conclusion that we're breeding incompetence to University level here.
They strongly object to anyone making a profit but have no objection to getting their grubby little fingers onto that profit. You see, it's one thing to burr up about mining & another to mine the loopholes for bludging off the taxpayer.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 24 February 2013 6:00:13 PM
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Individual,

what did you do for a living, as you seem to suggest that hard work is a criteria for the right to offer policy expertise.

and what sort of criteria would you set for university academics?
Posted by Chris Lewis, Monday, 25 February 2013 12:08:04 PM
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How depressing, The only group of people who espouse the values all Australians purport to hold dear:-a fair go for everyone, accessible and affordable universal health care, equality in education, Care and repair of the environment that sustains us, protection for the rights of minorities, sustainable development, affordable public transport, decent housing for all... is the Greens. Consistently, they offer alternatives to the pathetic Labor and Nat-Lib politicians who cringe before big business, quail before the USA, grovel to religion, and discard the hard-won freedoms and rights of Australians in favour of a few votes from the bigoted religious multiculturalists.
Open your eyes, really listen to the politicians and be honest with yourselves for once. The two big parties are leading us to destruction, and they don't care. The Greens aren't perfect, but at least they have their eyes open to the future.
Posted by ybgirp, Monday, 25 February 2013 6:21:12 PM
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ybgirp, I could not agree more. The Greens is the only party that is truly committed to a better Australia for all. The Conservatives are there to further the economic interest of big business, as they always have been. They gain control through social division,fear and misinformation. Labor, the party that was formed over 100 years age to represent the worker and his family, has unfortunately lost direction and for the most part sold out to capital. How hollow the ring, whenever you hear a Labor politician refer to "Labor values", something that once existed but was sold long ago for 20 pieces of silver. Like the party of the capitalist, Labor talks about little else than the economy, not realising we live in a society and the economy is there to serve society and not the other way round as the major political parties would have it.
The battle is a long one and it will not be decided at the next election. The day will come when the people realise the sham both Labor and the Conservatives are perpetrating on society and they will then look for leadership from the 'new direction'.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 7:06:26 AM
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Thanks Paul & Ygbrip for that. It is nice to have this clarification of green policy.

So there it is folks. The Greens say, "Well put those dreadful foresters, miners & farmers out of business, but don't you worry about that". "We'll hire thousands of them in the public service. Much more ecologically sound to have them in a nice city high rise, rather than out in the environment".

Don't worry about those high rise buildings, we're the greens, of course we can build them with no timber, stone, cement or steel, were magic.

For the rest, well just rip the money of anyone still actually working in a real, productive [horror] job, & spread it around all those who don't want to work.

We'll give you a great education, [brain washing], so you can do nothing all day but sit around all day & talk, [just like us], we'll give you better houses than you've ever seen, much than those fool workers will be able to pay for, [after we've finished with them]. Then we'll arrange lots of pie in the sky, so you'll never go hungry again.

So there you are, it's easy, when you say it quickly enough, & have turned your brain off.

See you at the polls, & remember our slogan, free pie in the sky for all.

Oh & if you want to try this new wonderland of ours, well send you on a month holliday to Greece. It is very pretty, & just like we're planning here, the welfare grows on trees.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 9:59:12 AM
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Are mining billionaires determining Australia’s future?

The answer is yes and no. Individuals that control a disproportional share of our countries wealth are determining Australia’s future. Mining billionaires just are part of this group. We should not ignore James Packer, Ivan Glasenberg, Kerry Stokes, Lang Walker and Malcolm Turbull just to mention a few. These parasites have accrued (not produced) wealth well in excess of what they would have been able to produce as individuals. Needless to say there are a lot of mug punters producing this wealth and not getting their fair share.

One the other side of the coin there are a lot of mug punters (many I would say contribute to this forum) that are being played covertly by individuals who have accrued (not produced) this wealth. They are able purchase the time and recourses to manipulate the political, legal and commercial systems. They are assisted by our disproportionate voting system and the great Australian sport of apathy.

The super parasite Gina is not a miner she is a wealth manipulator. Born with a silver spoon in her mouth, surrounded by a swarm of parasites in the legal, financial and legislative fields that she has the wealth to purchase, has been able accrue (not produce) even more of this countries productive wealth.

If all Australians own the countries mineral wealth, why are we not all billionaires?

I have said in previous posts. We need to question the value, balance and degree of activities and the reward (proportion of productivity) a particular activity attracts. While parasite activities attract more reward than productive ones, productivity will continue to decline along with competitiveness. The poor will get poorer and the rich richer.

We need to share this countries productive wealth more proportionally favouring the producer not the parasite. We need a proportional voting system.
Posted by Producer, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 10:43:55 AM
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Hasbeen, you're either clinically insane, or the brainwashing you've been subjected to has been so effective you're now brain dead. The nonsense you spout is ludicrous...a figment of your inflamed imagination. Few jobs today are productive of anything except more or less useless consumer goods that cannot be repaired, or services for people who are demoralised by the emptiness of today's society, the pointlessness of the work they are offered and the lack of self-worth this mindless consumerism brings, causing many to seek escape through alcohol and other drugs.
The Greens promise none of the idiocy you spout, they offer useful employment in ecologically sustainable activities that, being labour intensive will be fulfilling, not demoralising. They also suggest that a return to a modicum of personal self-sufficiency, to repairable goods, to a culture of 'waste not, want not' is not only essential if we want to survive, but vital for our mental well-being.
Posted by ybgirp, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 10:45:30 AM
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Producer... Very well reasoned and put. Thanks.
Posted by ybgirp, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 10:49:39 AM
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Hay Ybgirp, how about a run down in those "useful employment in ecologically sustainable activities that, being labour intensive will be fulfilling, not demoralising" jobs. They sound ghastly to me.

Infact that sounds like a full pie in the sky story to me. If you want to gain any respect, name these great jobs, rather than prattle on about some mythical garbage.

Just to remind you, I & my mates are carnivores, so boiled turnips is not going to make it around here as the new diet.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 1:31:15 PM
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There are a lot more non-miner voters than mining billionaires, so it will only be our fault if they determine Australia's future. 1,000 voters could for a miserly $33 each put over 200,000 informative messages into MPs inboxes over a year or so, with MPs reactions carefully monitored. That would beat mining billions hands down, because money is mostly useful to politicians in its ability to buy votes. But we voters actually control the votes, so when we speak up in the right way we have control. That is why I invented and have provided Votergrams for 27 years. We do not make a big fuss and we let politicians take the credit. We don't get well known because we offer them at a price low enough for almost the poorest and subsidise them by doing other work. No party politics. No other preferences. What I want for Australia is irrelevant. What 22 million Australians want is vital, so Votergrams are used to get the community's views across to government.They have helped save Blue Gum Forests, stop foreign food imports, cut the road toll and get people's relatives hospital care. We have control when we take control. All are welcome to join or host our Residents Roundtables, to take the initiative and give government an idea of what we want.
Posted by Voterland, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 5:48:50 PM
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I doubt whether the Greens and others would have the money to live the lavish lifestyles many of them do if not for mining. Russia and other failed baltic states are testament to communist failure. The leaders of the Greens are generally to self righteous to see that along with church leaders, unionist and others they are just are open to corruption as the mining companies. Look at the gw warming scam that many of them have cahsed in on. Before that it was the ozone layer. Their perverted social policies such as what they call gay 'marriage'displays they are more interested in social engineering than bettering society.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 6:06:03 PM
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There is only one thing I could say of Gina Rinehart: "She is a very wealthy person."

That's it. There's absolutely nothing else that I think anybody could ever say of her.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 6:08:06 PM
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Hay Ybgirp, I'm still waiting for that list of jobs mate.

Don't tell me they were just a figment of your imagination, & disappeared in a poof of smoke, when you tried to actually see them.

Actually your silence confirms they were all wishful thinking, like all your mobs bulldust.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 7:43:36 PM
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HASBEEN = CARNIVORE = DINGO, Could someone please throw Hasbeen a bone.
Hasbeen when your dear old Grannie told you "My little sunbeam, eat your GREENS or you'll end up a hasbeen" she was right.
This little GREEN turnip is feeling fine.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 7:45:34 PM
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Paul my Grannie only spoke true.

She warned us that a lack of protene would atrophe your brain. She made sure we had plenty of nice rare beef to eat.

Nothing like a good stake to cure any green tendencies.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 8:09:26 PM
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Hasbeen, as you're demanding examples, why don't you lead the way by providing examples of when the greens have announced that they intend to put those dreadful foresters, miners & farmers out of business?
Then give us references to speeches or media releases in which they say they will re-employ thousands of primary producer workers in the public service.
After that, provide us with details of when and where any Green politician has announced that they would prefer people to live in a city high rise, rather than out in the environment.
Then please give reliable references to any statements from the Greens that state they can build high rise apartments with no timber, stone, cement or steel.
Please then provide details of when the Greens have stated they intend to just "rip the money of[[sic] anyone still actually working in a real, productive [horror] job, & spread it around all those who don't want to work."
Perhaps the most absurd statement to ooze from your benighted brain is the claim that the Greens' education platform is designed to brainwash everyone so they can do nothing all day but sit around & talk.
And this piece of egregious drivel, "we'll give you better houses than you've ever seen, much than those fool workers will be able to pay for, [after we've finished with them]. Then we'll arrange lots of pie in the sky, so you'll never go hungry again" - is such puerile bilge I feel intellectually soiled at responding.
Posted by ybgirp, Thursday, 28 February 2013 12:04:49 PM
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Now that wouldn't be cautious of me ybgirp, not while you have the floor.

We're still waiting for that list of jobs.

Of course you could tell the truth & say, "I don't have a clue".
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 28 February 2013 3:20:58 PM
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An article recently highlighted the three most influential sectors on government policy to be mining, gambling and finance.

Not a big surprise given this is reflected in many of the decisions taken by many governments here and OS. One need look no further at the influence of the World Bank, IMF and WTO in pressuring countries to tow the global corporate line.

Kevin Rudd may have handled the MRRT badly (with his arrogant bull in a china shop approach) but the Gillard government went too far in allowing miners to write the tax without consideration of a fair public share in Australia's resources. The recent decision to mine the Tarkine also reflects the power the mining sector has over governments. Labor has caved but the Liberals were the same if not more extreme in their disregard for environmental considerations.

The PM's office recently refused diary documents under freedom of information because it would take up too many resources. Surely who the PM meets with is of public interest. Too many miners perhaps?
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 28 February 2013 7:12:48 PM
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what did you do for a living, as you seem to suggest that hard work is a criteria for the right to offer policy expertise.
Chris Lewis,
Did I say that ? I thought I was referring to practical & common sense.

and what sort of criteria would you set for university academics?

Are they suitable for any ?
As far as my experience with educated people goes I can only say education without the sense to use it it as pointless as trying to ride a push bike with no wheels.
Academics have been put on way too high & artificial a pedestal by their peers which ensures they can get there also. I say let them exploit their potential to the fullest if that potential entails not being such a huge financial burden on the rest of us.
Posted by individual, Friday, 1 March 2013 5:28:16 PM
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The Greens aren't perfect, but at least they have their eyes open to the future.
ybgirp,
yes, one eye on their future on our tax dollar & the other eye away from all the misery they cause those whose tax dollars they couldn't exist without of.
Yo know, doing good is not about just saying so, there has to be a good result ! Saving the planet is not just about great superannuation for incompetent bureaucrats bleating idealism.
Posted by individual, Friday, 1 March 2013 5:45:49 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mining-magnate-tries-to-shut-down-icac-inquiry-20130307-2fohx.html
Maybe they are.
A look at this link, seeing an effort to stop the NSW IACAC investigating one of our richest?
We must not drop the ball.
No doubt at all exists that the filth that was within NSW Labor needs its infamy .
But if we are honest, a creeping shadow of corruption, not just in one party but all.
And from those buying influence is there if we look.
A day is coming we will see it much bigger.
On that day, those of us who only see others wrongs will know, they made it possible.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 8 March 2013 5:50:16 AM
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