Phlip S,

I note that none of your points (that see you in favour of disbelief/ conspiracy etc) include you attempting to include the "actual science".

Par for the course with "skeptics"...the "actual science" doesn't get a look in. It's all the IPCC this, Al Gore that, taxes this...and fair stories about climate scientists recanting.

You fellas are mucho entertaining (if a little predictable)

How about examining the science - most kosher sites (ie, those run by people who have qualifications in the various disciplines of climate science)attempt to explain the intricacies for lay people.

Poirot - Selectively reading again, here read this part.
"Doing a internet search will provide data for and against it NO ONE has conclusively proven it enough to move my thinking either way."
There is your missing "actual science"..

One more compelling point there is Hundreds of millions of dollars in grants are available for Global warming research TO PROVE IT but no company is going to give scientists even a quarter of that money to DISPROVE it.

The money (big business) wants it to be true so they can make more money from it.
If it is proven wrong they (big business) will loose hundreds of millions of dollars.

Research grants are "granted" for research....

If you search for peer-reviewed material, you'll find it.

If you inhabit denialist sites you will find mostly non peer-reviewed material - but that material will most probably confirm your bias and your notions of fraud and conspiracy.

Those sites are about junk science which is constantly disproved.

Big business is in the game of funding doubt. Their intention is for that doubt to be translated in political non-action on the climate front - business as usual.

They are funding to spread doubt and to "disprove" - but to disprove with fallacy and junk science. They are not funding for neutral research.

(Remember Muller's BEST - the Koch brothers funded that because they "expected" Muller the (real) skeptic to find against AGW. so did all the other (fake) skeptics - and when he came out in agreement, the fake skeptics dropped him like a hot potato.

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“Yes, you can take it from runner, that Tony - global warming is "absolute crap" - Abbott is right on the money (as far as denialism is concerned)

It's great, don't you think that we have a climate ignoramus standing for the highest office in the land - and people like runner (who denies evolution) to cheer them on.

Woe is us.......

Well well well…..runner and his gang of “she’ll be right mates” god will come and fix it all, oh dear:) Runner, there are endless amounts of evidence just with naked eye of what’s happening, and I can’t for the life of me understand why you and hasbeen with others on this thread have your heads wedged in preverbal abyss. Just on the Australian shore line…..look!..just use what-ever visual aids you have and see the damage done. Trees that have been standing for seventy years are now in the ocean, glaciers reseeding up to 25 metres per year, tree die offs at a million hectares a year, the fastest global extinction rates ever recorded…..and I can go on to fill the rest of the page….with more science links than you can poke a stick at.

Its clear to see who,s the capitalist are....its all money and no brains.....goodluck with that.

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While I welcome the threads author I see no reason to believe he/she is better informed than most.
Or in fact world climate scientists as opposed to other scientists, contributing views.
Obama today confirmed he is to take the issue head on, and change much of the western worlds opinion in doing so.
It can not be avoid, behind the deniers in open sight, stands big business and the interests who are to suffer the most, by us using cleaner energy.
In another thread, but repeated because it is true, I have warned climate change will play a roll in our federal election.
We may well see international moves and possible more bad weather here, force Liberals to confront more than one of Abbott,s statements.
Be warned.
The quickest and cleanest way to change policy's on climate change is to dump Abbott.
Another warning, it is too late!
Some of the threatened changes to our weather and climate will not be turned around for century,s if at all.

Is Lord Monkwhatever posting here.
Saw the silly old fool at the launch of that idiot new Christian politics party.
Run by the clown w2ho said Victorian bush fires came as Gods curse!
Stand firm Poirot, time will ask questions of your opponents they may wish to forget todays words.