Lexi is not entirely correct.

The very narrow pocket dictionary definition of lying is making a statement when one knows it to be false. Given that no one absolutely knows anyone else's mind, it would be impossible to call anyone a liar.

When Juliar gave a rock solid guarantee that there will be no carbon tax, it was not only a promise that there would be no carbon tax, but also that she would enforce it to the limits of her power. Even if at the time of the promise, Juliar's expectation was that there would be no carbon tax, but she had no intention of enforcing it, then it was a lie.

Juliar's rapid abandonment of a rock solid guarantee that she could easily enforce solely for political convenience makes her a liar.

Good afternoon to all you good people...

Something LEXI said really struck me...These Greens ! Are they intent in wrecking this country ? Is it their intent in continuing to hinder, obstruct, or generally impede any or all progress for our country ? Whether it's a Labour initiave, or something the previous Liberal government wanted, these Greens came along, and for some indistinct ideological reason, block it !

It's little wonder PM Gillard, or whoever it'll be in September - if the Greens still hold sway in the Senate, will they continue to hold the PM once again in their iron, intransigent grip, for some vague ideal ?

The days when they confined their activities to that of preserving our natural ecology, creatures of the seas, forests and all our natural riches, I believe most folk would give them some qualified support.

Now, they seem to brandish their power (numbers) in the Senate very injudiciously, more as an apparatus to bully, even to extort, or menace the major parties. You'll do as we wish, or you'll get nothing through this 'place', as they call it in 'parliament speak'.

Eighteen months or so ago, I recall, speaking to a small group of 18-20 years old girls, in a seminar I was involved in. During our break, I asked them about their voting proclivities - to the very last, they retorted '...oh Sir, the Greens, there's no one else...' ?

And these youngsters, are our future aren't they ! All of them, smart, very smart, level-headed, seemingly with world at their feet, but are they that politically naive, surely not ?

The following is taken from an article
in the Courier Mail which sums things up
rather well:

"There's an enormous difference between a broken promise
in the context of altered circumstances and a deliberate
decision to mislead. To accuse the PM of lying and to
argue that the carbon pricing scheme is based on a
deliberate pre-meditated lie displays some towering
fibbery. "

"The fact that this has persisted for so long and
spawned the meme "Juliar," (a term used only by the
ignorant and spiteful) says much more about Mr Abbott's guile
and ability to manipulate the facts for his own destructive ends
than it does about the PM's trustworthiness."

"We've all heard all the lines ad nauseam , "This toxic tax is
based on a lie." And if the PM is somehow deserving of the tag
of untrustworthy for changing on the carbon-pricing issue, then
what of Mr Abbott telling SkyNews in 2009 that:

"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a
simple tax?"

"Or is that another of the Opposition leader's inconvenient
truths? This is the same man who admitted on National Television
that he has trouble with the "gospel truth," like claiming that
the cost of a lamb roast will soar to $100, whole towns and
industries will disappear, and that our entire economy will be
laid to waste."

"In politics a degree of rhetorical flourish and a pinch of
hyperbole is to be expected. But when the sholw basis of a
campaign is a lie about a lie, then the bar is not being set
very high."

cont'd ...

My apologies for the typo. The last paragraph
should have read:

"In politics a degree of rhetorical flourish, and a
pinch of hyperbole is to be expected. But when the
whole basis of a campaign is a lie about a lie, then
the bar is not being set very high."

o sung wu, naive, no, brainwashed is a more accurate term.
I have two teachers in my family, ie wives of my sons, and they are
just unable to understand that what is being taught in the schools on
environmental and global warming matters could possibly be questioned.
Anything else is politically incorrect.
They are totally blinded.

When I tackle them on their closed minds they deny that they have closed minds.

Comments I have heard in another quarter is that in the school system
if you question these "truths" you can be downgraded quite severely in
some schools.
Some students are told to write in essays what the system wants to
hear, not what their science teacher believes, in other words lie.
He did not say it, but the impression I got was he had to teach the
"truth" but he passed on his doubts.

'Some students are told to write in essays what the system wants to
hear, not what their science teacher believes, in other words lie. '

Thank evolutionist for the start of those tactics. Morally and scientifically bereft just like the warmist High Priests. No wonder private schools keep growing with thinking parents and teachers. They are not blinded to dogma like the secularist.