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Prime Minister Gillard, one tough lady:

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Well osung & Lexi, I think it is a real problem.
It would be better if the kids were taught about AGW that while the
government accepts that it is real, there are a lot of people including
scientists who have the opposite opinion.
A science teacher should give an outline of the argument.

My daughter in law was quite incredulous when I pointed out that the
US's scientific main proponent of AGW James Hanson at NASA has agreed
that there is no significant increase in temperature for the last 15 years.
He also stated that he did not know why it had stopped.

My daughter in law just dismissed this with a shake of her head and changed the subject.
The real problem is not teaching about debate in the real world.

Belly, no one I wager, is sure when or indeed whether the temperature
will start rising again, start falling, or just go on with no real change.
Anyone who is adamant one way of the other has put themselves right out on a limb.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 8:15:32 AM
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Bazz,

Your daughter-in-law sounds like a savvy lady.

Perhaps she changed subject because she's heard it all before from "skeptics".

The "No Warming for Fifteen Years" is favourite line in the denialist camp - they throw that one about with gay abandon - and it's supposed to "amaze" lay people.

Never mind that 9 of ten warmest years have been in this century 'nall that : )

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 9:10:37 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

In a pre-election interview with The Australian's
Paul Kelly, our PM stated, "I don't rule out the
possibility of legislating a carbon pollution reduction
scheme, a market-based mechanism..."

Ultimately the price of winning government with the
support of the Greens and Independents was a price on
carbon.

The circumstances had changed, or as Mr Abbott himself
has been heard to note, "S--t happens!"
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 9:31:22 AM
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"S--t happens!"
Lexi,
Can you say it doesn't ? As it is it does so that makes Abbott a realist & you the denialist.
I think the greatest danger to Australia is from unconditional conformism by so many. It's what brings on the majority of our daily social & economic problems.
Julia Gillard is in effect not the problem. The problem are her supporters because without them she couldn't run Australia into the ground. If only there was away whereby people cop the result of their decisions. The way it is WE ALL cop it.
We must ensure that people become more aware of their shortcomings so that they can counter them before they drag all of us down. The challenge is to make those who think they see, see. Unfortunately, for Labor supporters it'd mark the end of their Party. On the other hand if they agreed to wake up & do good for the country then all would be ok.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 10:11:44 AM
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Lexi,

Juliar's televised statement to the nation stands on its own. She categorically ruled out a carbon tax, and then a few weeks later stated that we would have a carbon tax. Saying on a talk show that she does not rule out a carbon reduction scheme does not in any way obviate or contradict her guarantee to Australia.

Juliar of course knows that legally she has no legal obligation to keep any promises, neither do the voters have to swallow her pathetic excuse that she actually kinda meant to put in a carbon price all the time.

The latest essential polling on the carbon tax shows that it is still deeply unpopular, and Juliar and the weasels Oakeshott and Windsor will pay for this at the ballot box.

There are reports coming in nearly daily of businesses that are affected and who cannot pass on the costs to customers, as they are competing with overseas suppliers not burdened with the world's largest carbon tax. Manufacturing is shrinking, and unemployment is increasing. The environmental results of the suffering of Australian workers is one tenth of bugger all, and after a decade is probably not measurable by even the most sensitive instruments.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 10:14:18 AM
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Never mind that 9 of ten warmest years have been in this century 'nall that : )

When was the thermometer invented ?
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 12:31:05 PM
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