Yes I know and understand.
I have hogged this thread.
And others commenting on my partys wrongs, and those of its fellow travelers.
Not to extend the length of the thread.
But in desperation, that true reform come to Australian politics.
My party specifically.
I just can not settle, under a blindness that lets those in control of my party off the hook.
We mostly do not truly understand politics, truly we do not.
579 tells in his post above how good Gillard is going, while I fail to see that, is it not clear the better she goes the closer Turnbull gets to his second chance?
Tammany Hall may not mean a lot to some.
But it was a New York Irish control system totally self serving corrupt indeed dirty.
Both side have been like that in NSW, we are reading about *one family* by the control its head had over the very government in NSW bought down the whole party, Obied,held the majority in his hand, of a whole party!
No words can hide, or describe, the pain of *TRUE BELIEVERS* who stand today at the foot of the hill we must climb to get our honor back.
So sorry, yes I hog the thread/threads about these things.
I often, ask for Liberals/Conservatives, Even the mad Hatters Greens to tell us of the wrongs in their teams.
Yet no one takes it up.
Before condemning me, know a legend is in the making today.
It will take generations to forget NSW PTY LDT
How long before coming generations forgive both party,s for the horrible results of this hung Parliament.
579, the very guts of this matter are these truths,if you are blind to our party,s reality's yet seethe others sides.
*You except dirty politics, as so many who unknowingly post half truths about us but see no evil on their side.
The 3 wise Monkeys are from from wise, only a criminal would consider them wise. gutless more likely

Abbott has got another piece of paper floating around, don't they have a spokesperson. Without costings it does not mean a thing.

Gillard has pledged help for flood victims, and infastructure, abbott says it's a bad idea. So what does that mean, let them sink or swim.
Sounds like a foot in mouth again.

579, Something you have failed to point out is an Abbott led government will be nothing more than a front for the Catholic Church. When it comes to social justice issues. Abbott will be the mouth piece for the views of one, Archy Pell.
Belly, as for reform of the Labor Party it ain't going to happen! Not today, not tomorrow. not next week. not next month, not even next year. Never ever, nope, not before an election, not after an election, never ever. The party will be dead and berried before there is the slightest inkling of any nonsense of reform. If you don't believe me, just ask the Labor right, they run the show. You can keep on dreaming, or to be positive give the ALP the flick, and join The Greens a truly grass roots democratic party. Who knows you could end up Senator Belly, sitting next to your favorite from NSW my friend Lee Rhiannon. Nah, I think Cate Faehrmann got that job.

Paul really!

When on your soap box, Poetic (or political) license is no excuse for bald faced lies. Abbott is no more a mouthpiece for Pell than Gillard is for Marx. (Lee Rhianon perhaps)

Outrageous claims may gain you kudos amongst those disconnected from reality (such as the greens), but the rest of us think this is idiocy.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I have no doubt whatsoever that Cardinal Pell
will have a great deal of influence (consciously
or unconsciously) on Mr Abbott should he become PM.
That is - if Mr
Abbott is a devout Roman Catholic. Which I believe
he is. However, whether Mr Abbott will be a "mouthpiece"
for Cardinal Pell remains to be seen. However, it is
something that many people are definitely concerned about.