On yer, Pelly - well said.

Belly,

It's not about hating Kochie....as far as I can see the guy is bit of a morning-telly buffoon (I don't watch morning telly myself)...it's more about this sort of mindset that women have to watch their P&Q's while undertaking a vital act of nurture - in a society that nowadays seems to display everything everywhere. It's about sexualising an aspect of something that is not a sexual act - simply because it involves breasts.

Btw, this all started after a woman was requested to scuttle away or cover up her breastfeeding child at an aquatic centre.

Just for a moment, let's look at this situation. This "mother" is breastfeeding her child while supervising two other small children. She is told to cover up - and the intimation is that if she doesn't then she should go and do it somewhere else. So, if she goes, she has to take the other two small children with her. Where does she go - into the toilets trailing two other fractious kids and allows her baby to suckle there? It's outrageous that this sort of thing still happens. While, as is obvious on this thread, most people don't have a problem at all with this most reasonable and natural act, intimations such as Kochie's somehow puts the onus back on nursing mothers that breastfeeding is tolerated as long as......

'When will mainly male judges and some others realise that rape is a crime and the only person responsible for it is the perpetrator. '

Probably about as much chance of that as getting mothers to warn their daughters about the dangers of getting drunk and going off with strange men.

Well yes, runner,

As has been pointed out many times in this thread that unwise behaviour increases one's chances of coming to some sort of grief.

Nevertheless, a judge will not mitigate a rapist's sentence because a woman indulged in unwise behaviour if a man "chooses" to rape.

If two men end up in a brawl - something common in the same venues where men and women undertake much of their mutual wooing these days - a sentence is likely to be mitigated if two or more or those involved were actively provoking an attack.

It would be odd for a woman who is raped to be found to be "actively" provoking a man into raping her, while simultaneously shunning his sexual attentions.

I realise it's not always a cut and dried situation, however, if a woman makes it clear at a specific point that she does not wish to engage in sex, and the man decides that he will physically overpower her with "violence" and have his way - that is rape - fullstop.

pelican, "When will mainly male judges and some others realise that rape is a crime and the only person responsible for it is the perpetrator"

Always the spiteful gender kicker against men. Yet you would say there are men in your life who value you and hopefully bring joy and some meaning to your life. Is it deliberate or don't you realise you are forever doing that despite the challenges and pleading of men on this site? Men are humans too.

Honestly, what about this contentious case?

<Judge Sarah Bradley last year sparked national outrage by not imposing jail sentences on nine youths and men who gang raped a 10-year-old girl in Aurukun, in western Cape York.

In another case, Judge Bradley gave a teacher, who admitted forcing an 11-year-old indigenous boy to perform oral sex on him, time to gather evidence that he was educating his victim in "men's business".

Teacher James Last pleaded guilty in Cairns before District Court Judge Bradley last week to seven counts of indecently dealing with an 11-year-old boy over a four-month period in 1983.
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Judge Bradley granted a three month adjournment to allow Last and his lawyers to find an anthropologist to support his claim that he had been trying to introduce the Torres Straits boy to "traditional" islander sexual practices>

http://news.theage.com.au/national/cloud-hangs-over-head-of-qld-rape-judge-20080215-1shz.html

Poirot

'It would be odd for a woman who is raped to be found to be "actively" provoking a man into raping her, while simultaneously shunning his sexual attentions. '

Whilst I would agree with you on the vast majority of time some things I have observed in Indigeneous family feuds etc does raise some questions as well as eyebrows. Many men in indigenous men in prison will tell you how they were provoked. Not all of them are telling lies. Just as you seem to think I underestimate human goodness I think at times others deny how depraved some men and woman can be.

Pelican yes said the same thing up the thread, a few times.
Sad that a few try to blame the victim.
Well poirot your view of the bloke is not shared.
He is loved and by women too, an expert in finances he built his profile there then became the morning show king.
Had Hockey and Rudd on very week, still I think, only a casual watcher, has pollys flocking to get on.
His remark stacked up against so many truly offensive ones seems innocuous to me.
Just maybe, the pool people had concerns about young kids looking on?