'Your rants about feminism are of no interest to me. ' As are your feminist rants of little interest to me Poirot. They are so predictable.

'You can guarantee, runner, that if men were charged with feeding their bubs in the same way, ' Thankfully men were made differently from women Poirot, something you seem hard to accept.

Belly,

It depends what you mean by "took care".

I don't see that breastfeeding is any different now to what it was.

Does "taking care" mean "taking care not to breastfeed in any "non-designated zone"?

Does it mean that women back then who "took care" would find themselves, like me in 1982, scuttling to the nearest toilet to feed bub. Was I taking care in being unsure that I could discreetly feed my daughter without crossing any social lines? Much better that women these days are more likely to just feed their baby or at least there are now comfortable rooms provided in "some" places.

A mother feeding her child is not "putting herself on show"...Sheesh....

However, it's great to see most folks around here don't give a hoot about mums nourishing a baby in the way that nature provided.

Dear Banjo,

What a lovely post.

You obviously were breastfed. ;-)

Yay!

Poirot, it depends on what I mean?
Lets leave it at that, I do not mean not talking to you, I just think it interesting that I need to justifie concern for the woman, some of whom could be in danger.
Kochie O sung wo is, ? the womens bloke they flock to.
He stars in the morning show on TV.
Well respected he is conservative in his views and was supported in a poll run by his station, I think he won 80% of that vote.
I find it interesting.
No truly, that my honestly held view, not a radical one, has bought so much heat.
Are my views revolting? rude? are they discriminatory?
RObert,you are aware I hold great respect for you, and that we will not ever vote the same way.
I have noticed, as is your right, you sometimes think I say other than I actualy do.
You said too much spin?
And pilloried me for a crime I never committed.
Yes some women bring it on them selve, but mate, do you not see?
Some posters blame the woman.
Today , from about the time the pill was first seen, both sexs are free to look for sex, in no0 way will that ever say rape is not the controlling and evil thing it is.
Spin? then I am a spinner.

Bely have another read of my post. I made it clear that I could be misreading you so words like pilloried ar way over the top.

The topic is part of a broader range of issues that we have not really come to grips with yet. Whenever the issue is raised there does seem to be a constant need in some quarters to continue to suggest that the idea of taking responsibility for the risks chosen is somehow saying a rapist is innocent. That gets very tiring, the Sheik does not appear to be part of this discussion and no one else seems to be suggesting that rapists are innocent because of how someone is dressed.

R0bert

Belly and RObert,

Just want to make the point that all of us are inhabiting a society in which rapid social change is the key paradigm over the last hundred years or so.

Our great grandmothers would have felt under-dressed/exposed if they'd left the house showing their knees - their mothers would have felt the same if they'd exposed an ankle. My mum has told me that she and her mother "always" wore a hat and gloves if they went to the shops when she was a teenager and young woman. She took up an apprenticeship in millinery because it was virtually a given that every adult wasn't "properly" dressed unless they wore a hat.

So times have changed. As someone said, you see more boob at the beach than what is visible when a mum is nursing a baby....yet we still have this Puritan ideal that because this action involves a breast that it is somehow sexually linked and therefore something to be isolated from the throng of life.

Yep, I do understand that you guys aren't excusing the rapist. I agree that women (and men) have to be mindful of the sometimes violent nature of "some" men. I've said it before that women need men to protect them from men. I wouldn't dream of walking alone at night or going to dodgy quarters of town...although back in the seventies I had an after school job at a steak house. I used to be able to catch the bus home at night in the city by myself. I was always alert for danger, even then, but I wouldn't let a daughter of mine do that these days.