Belly, not sure if you intended it that way but I've not seen anyone on this thread suggesting a rapist is innocent because of how a woman is dressed or where she is. Perhaps a little over sensitive on that but I'm thoroughly sick of those that try and spin any suggestion that people should take some responsibility for the choice they make as suggesting an implication of innocence on the criminals part.

Far to much spin around the topic.

The reality is there are people around who are either unable or unwilling to respect others rights and boundaries. They come in both genders and the way they do harm can be different according to what motivates them and where opportunity lies. We need to try to find a balance between a range of sometimes competing priorities, protecting ourselves from them, not allowing our lives to be dominated by them, ensuring that government never endorses their actions.

The genuine rapist is never innocent, at the same time the woman who chooses to hang out with 'bad boys' because she likes the buzz is choosing to put herself at risk. We all need to make grown up choices about the risks we choose to take.

R0bert

Hi there BELLY & ROBERT...

Belly, I remember the old 'Three Swallows' pub on the corner at Liverpool Road. A pub with a long and colourful history, going back to the early sixties. Interestingly, Both my girlfriend and I, have been there (when much much younger). And many years later, I've had to attend there, on several serious occasion in uniform, on jobs !

I've seen 'bouncers' as big as houses, working the door's there. All without an apparent neck, on which to support their heads, always with a perpetual scowl on their faces !

I reckon the old '3 birds' will be there long after I'm gone, and perhaps, even after many of those good people who write-in to our beloved Forum ? Good on you BELLY, thanks for the memory ol' mate.

Hi there ROBERT...

I do agree with you absolutely, when you describe 'a Rapist' as ALWAYS, an offender. Whether or not they've been 'led on', 'teased', whatever the situation is or was.

I look at some women as potential victims, if certain conditions are met ? Without going too deeply into specifics, I would suggest a women should not engage in 'conduct' of a kind, that may even obscurely suggest, that she may be a willing participant in any sexual proceeding ! I'm in no way, suggesting a woman is at fault. I'm speaking STRICTLY as a 'risk management measure' ONLY.

When I speak off the word 'conduct', that includes; apparel, speech, behaviour, sobriety, location, and time of day !

Finally, should a lady need to socialise or work late. And return home alone, or use public transport, even walk, she should first seek a TRUSTED male companion. If unavailable, use a Taxi. She should never take the risk and travel alone at night.

An impossible ask, I hear you say ? Maybe so. If it's work, then arrangements must then be made, by her boss/supervisor to ensure she gets home safely, and at the Company's expense. After all, it's an 'Occupational Health & Safety', matter in all States of Australia !

RObert you found some thing in my words I had no intention of saying, and believe I did not.
My purpose however in including my view, rape is rape, is that some made efforts to blame the victim, in my view.
Re read Hasbeens posts, and others but maybe I over dressed what I sill see as unattractive in relation to rape note I separate faulse claims and more without changing my stance.
O SUNG WO, YES True story, at my last job I worked with one of a two man bouncers team from that time.
And became lifelong mates with the other.
We swapped many story,s and laughs, but it is likely this country bloke was thrown out by them both.
One now dead, my ex workmate, was a bit of a bluffer, but the Bankstown coppers son, is and was not.
Good memory,s but we both know it is the past never to be seen again.
Maybe before your time but a gang rape near Liverpool WASP involved helped fix my lifetime view no rape is other than criminal.

Sometime ago a serial rapist was interviewed in goal.

He stated that he always looked for girls with long hair which that could be grabbed and held; also clothing providing easy access to the body.

He never mentioned attractiveness or such.

He did act alone and undoubtedly pack rapists are a whole new ball-game.

It would be very rare to find a rapist who has not first fed on porn.

Danielle pack rape has been around for at least a century.
And ignore if you wish runner, not every rapist is a porn freak.
Many in fact, as is the case in every thing humans do, think it is their right, truly.
Look out side Australia,at the 23 year old with aspirations killed after being raped in India.
We would be horrified if we saw such in this country.
But in fact have.
Some pick on weaker women, some by the looks or just the passing opportunity.
We tend to get upperty on such issues,the damning of a TV host, for Saying, consider the words before jumping on him.
Women should breast feed in a more classy/caring way, is that not just good advice?
I could without difficulty be Devils advocate, tell of women bring rape on themselves.
But can never abandon my minds memory's of some dreadful acts as lesser men tried to assert power over women.
Read and be revolted about Turo rape murders,so very many nightmares for victims and those who loved them.