individual,

Perhaps it's a bit of both.

http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/3747-east-coast-sea-level-rise-accelerating.html

Lexi, I read the link, and some of the comments, this one had merit:

>>About half of the national weather stations are located in built up areas. Over the past century, and especially the past half century, urban density has increased, causing daytime warmth to be retained by the terrain and reradiated at night. Where once there were market gardens, dairies and urban forests there are now housing estates and industrial areas.<<

Yesterday in Sydney it was 45…today it is 23. The only pattern I can see is “erratic”, like weather has always been. I still want to know what conditions came together to cause the Medievil ice age.

Lexi, it is a bit like the religious debate, you need to see it to believe it versus believe the words of others.

Belly>> Hang the rock on the string, if it swings it is windy, if not calm.
If it is wet it is raining.
If water covers the rock? run!
sea is rising.<<

To be sure to be sure, my lot filled the ranks of the convicts and the gendarmerie with that logic.

.Belly>> Your admitting, up the thread, you base your views on personal observation, not science,makes you a life member of my mad Irish mates club<<

There is some data I accept. Take the Fort Denison Tide record I started the thread with. I believe those because it is local, I can walk down and take a peek myself. I have difficulty accepting the likes of 579 telling me that the water is deeper in the Northern hemisphere than here, Indy referred to it as akin to “water running up hill”.

Belly sometimes the rock is greater than paper.

sonofgloin,

"...The only pattern I can see is "erratic"..."

Um...that's because you're not a climatologist.

Anyhooo....like bonmot and a few others have realised, it's a huge waste of time blathering away here on issues that require a modicum of expertise - or attempting to support others who have it.

I'm sure I should be spending more time in the garden instead of getting into stupid debates round here (you guys wouldn't believe the bumper crop of tomatoes we've got :)...sounds like the perfect antidote to OLO.

Um...that's because you're not a climatologist.
Poirot,
I'll give you some food for thought. The world's oceans (according to Wikipedia) cover 361 million square kilometres. The total tonnage of world merchant shipping was 1.12billion tonnes in 2008. Keep in mind that doesn't include the Navies of the world. Let's say that's another quarter of a billion tonnes. Combine ALL that displaces water on the oceans & you'll find that a millimetre of sea level rise is purely due to all that weight. Take away all that weight & see what the sea level is doing.
Let's hear from our mathematicians & see if they're right or the climatologists. So far as the climate is concerned we'll have to stop getting cheap commodities from Asia. Cut back on what's not really needed & the climate will improve. Really does make that Tax look as silly as it's creators, eh ?

Sonofgloin yet a few more tips.
To see first open your eyes.
And an illness I have, a wish to learn, is of use.
Research, research.
You inadvertently, in saying as you have, explains why you think the twin towers was a set up.
And leave little room to defend you view on this subject.
A Scientist bloke is so far out in front of *I believe what I see*
That rock and string, along side your view is high tec.

individual,

That's the funniest thing I've read on the subject of sea level rise : )

Next you'll be blaming it on all those people who take a sly pee while swimming at the beach.

I agree with you on cheap commodities - however, in a society with a system that relies on growth and consumption to sustain itself, that ain't going to happen.

(I'm going out to the garden)