The last few months has seen almost unprecedented changes to the once powerful CAGW market place. I say market because that precisely what it is. The “sales message” is that man made CO2 emissions causing global warming, that we are destroying the planet and our grandchildren’s future.

This is called the “incentive to buy” and many have “bought the product”. To fix the problem we are told that there will be some “price to pay” to limit emissions. This market was created by the UN FCCC, IPCC, Met Office and a number of “preferred supplier” scientists and researchers.

The EU and many other national governments responded by legislating favorably for the creation of the infrastructure. This included and agreement to impose caps on emissions, Kyoto, it created public funding mechanisms for capital investment in renewable energy, rebates and financial support for commercial/industrial opportunists to provide the technology. Government bureaucracies and departments emerged to regulate the market and impose higher tariffs (the price) on their customers. Finally, international CO2 trading markets were developed to finance market activities.

The “price” is being been paid solely by the public “customer” one way or another, all the other players are in the market for financial gain.

Much of the MSM, public broadcasters, academia and other commentariat have promoted the sales pitch with increasing enthusiasm, passion and exaggeration yet the infrastructure needed to deliver what was promised has collapsed.

So if the reason to “buy” and the “product” are not longer good enough for the market to maintain its infrastructure, where can this market go?

Spindoc>> The “price” is being been paid solely by the public “customer” one way or another, all the other players are in the market for financial gain<<

Sd, for some years I have bleated on about the green movement being owned by the polluters.

The modern environmental movement that had its rebirth in the western cultural revolution of the 1960’s targeted the polluters. I grew up with TV news images of this or that corporation’s headquarters or production facility being picketed, or vision of the union movements bans on social and environmental sites as we saw with the BLF Green bans of the 70’s.

Then the movement was hijacked, being green became “cool”.

When I was 17, I recall buying an Australian made Bonds fleecy lined Sloppy Joe with “Save Lake Pedder” emblazoned across it with a dam motif as a background. The emphasis was being manipulated to make the consumer take responsibility for their part in consuming manufactured goods produced at the cost of the environment.

The final stage, which we are now experiencing, is the complete shift of responsibility and cost to the consumer. As you said, the brokers, the banks, and despot second and third world nations are the only ones to benefit.

Stupidity reigns while we accept UN mandates that have an agenda of wealth centralization and distribution. We send it to aliens in Brussels or New York and the banks set up brokerage houses to fleece it on the way through. What a scam, and what a bunch of imbeciles we are. We have been media molded and conquered, only the feeble minded though, but that encompasses a generation of indoctrinated acolytes.

Spindoc you are aware we differ here.
I think most Liberal posters, maybe GY are not believers.
Consider this, like it or not Rudd, in the middle of one of our greatest droughts, got elected.
I feel as I did then global warming, at that time, was seen as secondary only to Work Choices.
Stay with me stay cool, events make your party odds on to win.
World events related to weather, even if you think them false, have what I think you will say, is the chook,s panicking again.
I prefer it this way, considered people are concerned, at growing evidence GW is taking place.
You may not find it true.
But by the election, if Abbott stays, and wins,
Consider the removal of carbon tax?
Abbott will be gone before the election, so too, will those of his policy's likely to impede a Turnbull landslide.
Politics is a harsh game,carbon tax scare campaign has bellyflopped.

Hi Belly,

Your a bit off topic I think, this is not and never was about local politics. If we are to talk global warming we need to look at the global picture.

The warmers can spruik all the science, facts, figures and alarmism they like however, it does not matter to me one way or the other but it does matter to those who have previously supported your global warming views.

You say that “considered people are concerned, at growing evidence GW is taking place”. That’s my whole point they aren’t.

Unless you can show me that there is a Kyoto replacement, that the UN FCCC, IPCC, the Met Office, the global renewables market, the carbon trading markets, government capital funding, green subsidies are all being maintained in support of global action and that nations are not returning to fossil fuel power generation. Then all these entities are not as convinced by the alarmism as you.

It is not people like me you need to convince.

Belly let me ask you this, how many skeptics have you converted and how many believers have I converted? None of course.

The entire CAGW infrastructure identified above is gone. Even if you are right, there is nothing left to deliver any global solution.

If you are not happy that global warming is being addressed you need to start convincing those who were once the core of the CAGW movement and have now walked away. It is your side that has abandoned the cause.

If your science and alarmism is not good enough for the warmers, it sure isn’t good enough for us.

Sonofgloin.
I can only speak about the demise of the Victorian environmentalist milieu since it's the only area in which I have any first hand knowledge.
The grass roots activism of the 1980's and early 90's, anti logging/anti woodchipping and so forth was corrupted and the groups eviscerated by provocateurs and, it seems professional counter activists rumoured to be on the payroll of the paper manufacturers.
I knew one of the provocateurs personally, he was an ex copper who'd worked drugs and gone under cover to infiltrate the old National Action groups in the '80's. I don't know who he was working for in the 1990's, he wasn't on the Police payroll but he suddenly appeared as a part of one of the "environmental" groups in about 1992 and since his work there seems to have been done he's again been nosing around grass roots politics albeit of the urban, "save our suburbs" variety.
What I'm saying is that environmentalists and conservationists are no longer part of the Green movement, they've seen it's sharp edge dulled by infighting and outside provocation and it's mainstream subordinated to serve state and corporate interests. The Greens are part of the growth lobby, no genuine Leftist or environmentalist still supports them and a good many regard them as fundamentally right wing and composed entirely of the bourgeoisie.

Jay of Melbourne>> What I'm saying is that environmentalists and conservationists are no longer part of the Green movement, they've seen it's sharp edge dulled by infighting and outside provocation and it's mainstream subordinated to serve state and corporate interests<<

Jay I understand and agree with all you have said.

If I had to make a considered guess as to who actually controls the global environmental movement, I would go with “The Club of Rome” and the “Bilderberg Group” simply because the individual members of these groups represent global manufacturing and global commerce. It is in their interests to mitigate their spend on environmental protection and take the heat off the manufacturer to clean up their act.

Decades ago The Club of Rome vaunted the concept of moving the blame and the cost of environmental protection onto the consumer. But first they had to make the consumer aware of the issues and take responsibility for their part...which has ended up being all of it.

Since the 1980’s the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Global wealth has moved at considerable pace, right now 1% owns 40% and 10% own 80% of the globes assets. That leaves 20% for the rest of us….plus the environmental cleanup bill.

As I said there is no green, but there is a lust for gold.