Spindoc>> The question I asked remains unanswered.

“Where can fixing CAGW go without its infrastructure”?<<

Sd are you meaning the staff and agencies when you say infrastructure, or the political will?

Remember the CAGW agenda is being run ultimately by the polluters so it will morph into something else with a similar agenda of legislative control of our taxes. But acolytes such as U.N. bureaucrats and socially aware plebs will have lost a religion.

Their religion has already undergone a name change. Before the “manipulated” climate impact numbers were shown up to be totally skewed fabrications they called it GLOBAL WARMING. After the lies were discovered it became GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.

Amazingly it has been a decade since the lies of the GW scientists were discovered. The globe continues to cool and property by the beach still costs a motza. Flannery did well to buy on the water.

Wow, sonofgloin...congrats -

"Amazingly it has been a decade since the lies of the GW scientists were discovered. The globe continues to cool..."

Your mantra is straight out of troglodyte denialism 101.

You get extra points for mentioning the words: "religion", "acolytes", "agenda", "taxes", "lies", "plebs", "manipulated" - and for the phrases: "The globe continues to cool..." and "U.N. bureaucrats".

Sorry to say that you lose points for lack of originality (in that we've heard it all before)...but nice try just the same.

Thanks, I've been practicing....

sonofgloin,

When I say infrastructure I mean the commerce and industries without which no action can be implemented as a response to CAGW. The UN and the commentariat can’t do it.

To respond to global warming a global regulator and global agreement is mandatory. This was Kyoto but it is gone.

To have the global funds to pay for the renewable technologies needs a market for investors to raise funding, these were the global carbon trading credits markets, these are gone.

To have renewable technologies needs an industry that will produce these technologies for a profit. Since these technologies are not market ready economically they have to be heavily subsidized by tax payers and investors. The investment mechanism has collapsed this only leaves sovereign taxpayer funding. Since developed nations are in austerity mode and increasingly reluctant to carry the full financial burden, the manufacturer businesses are collapsing.

There remains in some countries, the political will to take action however, since there is no longer any international agreement for capping or trading and the above three critical market components are gone, inertia has been reached. Without these the political will to do something may endure but no global action is possible.

RENIXX is the key stock market index for renewables and tracks the worlds top 30 largest renewable energy companies based in the USA, EU and China. This market is down 90 percent since 2007.

The wind industry in the USA, the largest in the world, is predicted to lose 70 to 90 percent of its orders. Investors predict its total demise. Spain’s solar market dropped 80 percent after subsidies were axed. Germany has cut roof top solar rebates three times and rebates end completely in 2017.

The main intergovernmental trading schemes the EU, UN, Copenhagen, Chicago Carbon Exchange and NZ are finished. They are all now trading at between 10 and 15 percent of both their volume and value as at 2007.

These are the infrastructure of any global action, they are gone. Unless someone like Poirot is willing to tell us otherwise

Soindoc>> The main intergovernmental trading schemes the EU, UN, Copenhagen, Chicago Carbon Exchange and NZ are finished. They are all now trading at between 10 and 15 percent of both their volume and value as at 2007.<<

Sd, I thought I canvassed possible outcomes when the Carbon lobby lose momentum. As you said the trading market is on its knees with the Europeans not wanting to pay double digits per ton in tax. Stupid Australia pays double figures with a price hike built in. It is not about Carbon, it is about a funnel of money from us to them.

Spindoc>>These are the infrastructure of any global action, they are gone. Unless someone like Poirot is willing to tell us otherwise<<

Sd, our Poirot has a religion and will stick to it. The amazing thing about acolytes of global destruction via Carbon is that they want to pay guilt money for breathing…..no problem with that, but I should not have to pay because Poirot wants to draw a breath and feel guilt free while doing it.

A Carbon tax does not reduce the emissions; it does not foster viable clean energy. A wind turbine just covers its own carbon footprint if it generates the maximum of 24/7 output for five years. Greens needs a cause to follow, they have an indoctrinated social conscience to placate, but are not willing to forego the manufactured goods that modernity brings…….no twitter…..no interest in the green movement.

Let the green acolytes lead by example….go medieval….give up machines that require any energy input rather than their own. Some poor bugger living at subsistence level in a first world nation has a greener lifestyle than the middle class activists that use all the technology available to them.

Poirot once described me as a troglodyte and that made me smile, because to meet P’s indoctrinated and skewed green expectations, P would have to have the carbon footprint of a troglodyte. Welcome to the tribe sport.

Well about the only intelligent place is to tip it down the drain.

Oh sorry the greenies wouldn't like that, now would they.

Come to think of it, there is about enough bull droppings to cover the universities who continue to ride the train, so lets bury the Bs.