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Is this how Australian Senators behave?

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Luciferase, not only do you know what everyone thinks and a financial guru to boot, you are also a legal eagle. can you tell me under what law Jonathon Moylan was charged, and in what court (other than this Kangaroo Court) was he convicted?
My question to you was "can you boil an egg?" Good to see you were able google up an answer to the egg question and to my list of people.

Banjo: "They have shown in the past to damage expensive equipment, da da da da da,,," The senators or the supporters? When and where?

Tony. Poor old Al got done for tax evasion, plenty of small business in Oz doing a bit of the same, are you say they are Al Capone's?
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 12 January 2013 1:42:15 PM
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Paul,
You are a baby if you do not recall the green activists on the south coast of NSW damaging logging equipment and driving steel spikes into trees to endanger sawyers lives.

No the greens have no real or moral responsibility. They care not if people lose jobs or endure hardship, their ideology is the important factor for them.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 12 January 2013 1:55:32 PM
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Paul1405, the force of your argument is so compelling that I must yield.

Carry on defending indefensible fraud for all you're worth, the Greens party hack that you are, and beware the next election.
Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 12 January 2013 2:01:46 PM
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Patience, Paul1405, patience.

>>can you tell me under what law Jonathon Moylan was charged, and in what court (other than this Kangaroo Court) was he convicted?<<

No charges have yet been laid. According to the Oz Business Section...

"...he could nominally be up for a $495,000 fine and/or 10 years in jail. He has not been charged. The Corporations Act says it is a criminal offence to disseminate false and misleading information to the market, whether or not the disseminator has any intention to make money out of the action."

Whether he intended to or not, Moylan created opportunities for his friends, for reporters, for stockbrokers etc. to make a killing from the hoax information. One stockbroker has already admitted that, realizing the release was a hoax, he took advantage of the temporarily low price to dip into the stock. This could of course leave him open to the charge of insider trading, but I think everyone involved expects the trades to be reversed by the Exchange, as soon as they have worked through the detail.

Personally, I don't believe he should be charged, but not because I condone his actions, which I consider simply "look-at-me" self-indulgent, but because it would only serve to pander to his obvious narcissism.

If he had thought it through, he would have realized that the publicity from such a pointless stunt is far more likely to settle down in favour of the victims, than in promoting his cause.

So if he has any smarts at all, it is obvious that he only did it for self-promotion. If he did it because he is dumb enough to think it would make a difference, then he deserves our pity for his stupidity far more than he deserves a jail sentence.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 12 January 2013 2:56:16 PM
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"he (Jonathon Moylan) could nominally be up for a $495,000 fine and/or 10 years in jail.
I call for the crucifixion no less of dear old Jonathon (first offense), teach him to mess with the man! In fact I want Gillard and Abbott the leading pair of politicians who support Australia's legalised murder in Afghanistan to nail him to the cross. Hoist him up, I say, outside the stock exchange no less, show the masses who runs this berg.
p/s Dear old Jonathon might not be to keen on my idea, but sacrifices have to be made. I'm sure Jonathon will take his crucifixion on the chin when he realises its for the greater good, etc etc.
What a beat up this whole business is.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 12 January 2013 9:04:37 PM
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In case you had forgotten, Paul1405, this thread is about Senators supporting lawbreakers. Specifically, accepting that in circumstances that meet their political objectives, a little bit of fraud is perfectly ok - even heroic.

I doubt Moylan will be charged, basically because the offence caused so little actual damage. Some dollars were made and lost, some feelings were hurt, and some reporters with itchy fingers and a distaste for fact-checking will have egg on their face. But apart from that, it was nothing but a petty mixture of spite and vainglory.

But the willingness of a party-nominated politician (very few people actually vote for the individual, do they) to endorse illegal acts is extremely damaging to our institution of government.

Or at least, it bloody well should be.
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 13 January 2013 5:54:45 AM
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