Wow, who to believe?...the crackpots who say we didn't get to the moon or the crackpots who say there was a welcoming committee when we got there.

Imagine there is a conspiracy to keep the evidence found on Apollo 11 from the public. How many 100s or 1000s would be involved. And in a land where you can get fame AND fortune for providing evidence that the president got a blow job in the oval office, not one of those 1000s cracks the silence. Really?

So no ET on the moon. (by the way, if there were creatures on the moon what would they be called...mooners, lunatics?).

Is there other life in the solar system? Well perhaps. Maybe there's some green sludge in the caps of Mars. Or prawns in the lakes of one of Saturn's moons.

But intelligent life....not a chance. I sometimes even wonder if there is intelligent life in the inner solar system.

With the opening up of space to private concerns, may give space travel a significant boost. The distances involved may need refueling stations to increase cruising speeds, by several thousand miles / second.
Go carts on mars, all interesting experiments.
If any one ever introduces themselves or not is a matter of wait and see. We are here so i don't see why there would not be other intelligent life-forms somewhere

Well perhaps there is alien life after all Poirot. We see everything so differently, it is hard to believe we are from the same species, or from the same planet.

You say everything on earth has developed in harmony. This is a greenie dream of course, but totally wrong.

Every where I have been, from tropical reef to cold snowy bush, it is more like war. The adage of survival of the fittest is just so true.

I like wild gardens, & approximately 20% of mine has grown from bird dropped seed, which makes it ever changing, depending on what rain forrest or woodland species are flouring this year. Lesser plantings just disappear, never to be seen again.

It is however a constant battle to keep down some species, with mulberries being the worst. They will crowd out everything if allowed. Cobblers pegs are another, which suddenly appeared, & would eliminate everything else if not controlled.

My hundreds of meters of untouched river bank display this constant & vicious battle. A species can dominate it for a year or so, only to be totally eliminated by something else in just a year or two. Harmony is the last word I would use to describe nature.

If we do find another species out there, I agree it could take any form. Harmony is about the last thing I would expect in any long term interaction.

Hasbeen,

"Harmony" was perhaps the wrong choice of description.

What I meant was that life on earth has evolved according to the properties of earth.

Do you really consider that I don't glean the battle royal that's constantly raging in nature for survival?

Worldwatcher>> The Fermi paradox is certainly intriguing. Could it be that there is a way of communicating which we are yet to discover?<<

WW,I don't know about intriguing, but it is the Fermi Paradox.

I understand what you are saying about other life forms evolving other types of genetic or technological societies...but if they are composed of matter what they do and what they produce must conform to the universal laws of physics. Physics can be manipulated and it is that manipulation that we are looking for. Now if we were looking for a creator we would want physics defying stuff as opposed to the manipulation of physics. But in saying all of that we don’t know, or are even close to knowing.

Worldwatcher>> I understand that when the square kilometre telescope is completed we will have much more raw data. Will you be part of Peerless too?<<

If that’s part of the SKA project, I don’t know a lot about it.

Atheists Foundation of Australia Inc >> Really, which 'Dave' is that? Could you supply a quote supporting that assertion.<<

You really have a bug bear about “Dave”, is it too familiar for an atheist of your standing?

Anyway to answer your question……no I cannot supply a quote to qualify that assertion…...I made it up in a mad moment of putting two and two together.

But it is not my fault Dave, primarily because I asked you to qualify your position on your “believers can kiss my atheism “ Xmas thread, but you chose to argue with supposed stalkers, not just one, but you managed to find two.

Not my fault that I don’t know what you think….but your incorporated Atheists of Australia by definition plainly takes a stand against a creator.

If I am wrong and you think there might be a creator, …forgive me sport. Could it be the new Incorporated Agnostics of Australia? If so I might join Dave.

Just to clarify…the reason you challenged me is because I asserted that you believe there is no creator, so could you tell me what days of the week you will believe in a creator….and on which days you are an atheist?