So they say most of us work past our scheduled finishing time and, that much of this time is unpaid.

We also know that productivity is in decline, has been for a few years.

So tell me, if we are working longer, yet achieving less, how can anyone complain as obviously the employer is being sharfted.

Of cause all we hear about is the unpaid work, but in reality, these findings would suggest we just don't work hard enough anymore, cause if we did, we wouldn't be required to work back.

Food for thought!

im not invested in your errant opinion..
thus say simply pay peanuts..get monkies.

or as some say rubbish in
ribbish out.

finished?
no not really if the boss is a fool
he hire's fools...who wants to work for a boss who is a lazey greedy fool?

your a one track pony..invested in making money for you
do the research..productivity has gone up..even though the actual product..adds little or no value.

invest in slave debentures..[i hear the private prison labour..is just that edge you seek for that little bit extra profit..from your por quality service.

but we said it all allready..you dont care for the worker
why should they give a stuff for you?

if the boss is a user/abuser..
why become a whinning user abuser as well..it just reveals to the rest of us.

the qualitry of the head..rotting
from the top down..

bah

its easy to ignore the whinning..except when you lot whine in the polies ears..its like your living in a bubble..no other intrest nor life..expecting your slaves to do the same.

you work to get rich
your workers are working just to survive.

Finland?
Sorry bloke you do let your personal views rule your head.
IT IS A FACT working unpaid hours is not shafting the boss!
And I had many jobs, it was easy to get them, in my life.
Never had a single one, that did not see me work unpaid time to finish a needed task.
Are you aware butch you seem to vilifie workers pensioners every one ?

Yes well, I expected to cop an ear bashing over this, but seriously, how can we be working back, which means more hours (paid or unpaid), while productivity is declining.

Surely, the more hours worked should mean more work achieved,or is that an unfair assumption from an employers point of view.

In answer to OUG's riddle post, I simply say, open your eyes mate, business, esspecially small business is in decline.

The us 'getting rich' while the worker is staying poor is simply incorrect.

About the only businesses making serious profits at present are the banks.

Productivity is declining, and hours are increasing, that needs more explanation.

579, it is common knowledge that our productivity has declined.

Now, if there is such an event as Finnish on time day, that can only mean people are working past their normal knock off times.

So, if they are working more hours, but achieving less, then what's going on.

I just think this whole finishing on time thing is a scam.

i recall my 4th job..scrapping the decaying salty fat of greasy smelly hides..it consisted of turning arround..as fast as possible..

at the beginning of the day..they said it will take x men..to do the job..in 8 hours..so the total pool of cash we will pay to clean them to standard will be xxx..payable upon completion

we got in and did a ten hour day in 5 hours
then ..the boss was happy chroming the hides on scedual..and the factory run on time..all the time.

we finished ahead of time everytime
and no one was a fin..but we knew the boss cared..[be it for his own reasons..we found that bit extra..[time and motion couldnt explain it..we sang as we worked..the chinese came and studied how we 'did' it

in the main it was because the fleshers..helped get the hides onto the table..because we were the key..and worked too fast for those extracting the hides from the spillway..so instead of waiting for them to do their job..we helped others do theirs.

this is what any good boss does
and for those who dont..
well let them whinge complain and go broke

im noting a lot of empty shops..mostly like our ol mate
whiners not winners

fin*

I do try to stay away from such threads.
Rechtub may be a good bloke but dislikes any criticism of his thoughts.
KPI an abbreviation for Key Performance Indicators.
A way I once and the boss,sat down and messured productivity.
No Guns involved.
No black masks, the boss left the Halo at home two.
First in measuring productivity you must do more than pluck a figure out of the air.
The KPI,s usually include, lost time injureys,sick days not planned, unavoidable plant break downs.
Product not produced right /repeat work needed.
So see this is a complex issue,KPI can be is, in fact to each thing that effects work and out puts.
This thread is based on? a national survey.
One that RIGHTLY says we are working unpaid hours, usually do you know why?
A commitment to the job,a wish to by your efforts progress, in the job.
Rechtub found bear traps in it, bosses, poor beggars that they are, subjected to rip offs?
What ever you take from this thread remember, pity the poor union official who had the job of sorting out Rechtub out.

Belly, I have never had a single unionistnwork for me in any of my five shops, over a period of twenty three years. Not a single one.

Didn't need a union, as we, myself and my workers, would always come to an arrangement that was fair for both.

Many such arrangements existed, but unfortunately, labor don't like every day people working out what best suits them, as they need to be involved, you know, fix something that's not broken.

Now as for declining productivity, I am simply stating what has been said, and I am confused as to how this can be, when we are supposedly working extra hours.

That's all, no malis, just a simply question, cause it simply does not make sense to me how we can on the one hand be over worked, yet on the other achieve less output.

Now which part of that is unreasonable.

yes belly i too try to stay away
this is going to be easier soon[7 dec midnight]
my web acces expires..and thus i set myself free from others adgendas

for year i thought i may help make things better
but its clear..most here are just trying to set their own adgendas

anyhow..dont reply the off topic troll..
to finnish off the best job ever..i left cause they had to stop liming the hides to disolve the hair..the work got too painfull...i stopped singing..and found another job.

why people hangarround
to cop abuse is a thing i cant grasp..yet..anyhow i know i can finish on time this time

fin

OUG says...yes belly i too try to stay away
this is going to be easier soon[7 dec midnight]

.....my web acces expires..and thus i set myself free from others adgendas

I will count the sleeps, to no more riddle solving, as I must admit, I bypass most of your posts as they are just too hard.

I still think you are two people posting under the same user name. One speaks in plain English, while the other in gibberish.

As for trolling, many threads wouldn't go off topic if people would just answer what are often reasonable questions, as opposed trying to offend the author, or other posters.

Here's an example.

JB's recent post...
579 Turnbull, Urged? Well one person on Monday nights Q & A? Do me a favour!
Tell your labour mates to get Rudd in as that has as much chance.
What we really need is for our corrupt and wasted government to just go to an election.

Belly's response...
579 you would be far better not to respond to the rude postings of JBower.

Tell me, what am I missing, as see nothing rude about the post.

My bad. I thought the people of Finland were shocking at getting to work on time.

I too am concerned for Finlanders.
Rechtub, your mate first haunted me in my every post.
Ensuring no correspondence between us forever.
Then told one of our true gentlemen posters Bazz off, he did with draw.
He seems to come to flame others.
You are not like that.
But as you reserve your right to be you I too want those rights.
Today is your day of doom, Blue on Blue go home on time day.
To highlight some, including farmers under great stress work too long and end up with mental health problems and some times family ones too.
You by nothing but your post history dislike intensely workers, paying wages, pensioners, unemployed.
Mate these thoughts, in less direct fashion, have been put to you by many others.
This day is a good one, it shows we care.
tell you what, lets line Labor voting suffers up and march us over a cliff.
Your mob far right? can get more support then.