All of which leads us back to situations such as this, which is why the RC has been set up.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-14/lawyer-claims-church-fails-to-comply-with-abuse-protocols/4372512

The situation where protocols have been set in place, yet are beset with non-compliance goes to the heart of the problem.

Pell is running a smoke screen. The Catholic Churches Towards Healing protocols are a blind to fool people that they are serious about the issue. In fact all Pell and his church cronies want to do is protect the so called 'good name of the church' since when did the Catholic Church have a good name? When they were burning innocent people at the stake, maybe it was when they were protecting Nazi war criminals or could it be while they hide their sodomites. Members of the Catholic Church most likely have been buggering children since the day Peter was put in charge.
And we let these people run schools and other organizations where there are children around. PLEASE!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ireland-inquiry-exposed-horrors/story-fndo317g-1226516942019
Banjo we will need a separate thread to talk in full about this.
The link is from ONE part of Ireland.
It speaks for its self, 21 priests 100 rapes.
In the Catholic Church, now not singling them out.
But it is that Church that forbids marriage, invites a strange breed of men and women .
Insult?
Who will tell me the sex drive is not the most basic and FIRST driving force in our lives?
Read the full Irish story, try the dutch one, know please see, it is CHURCHES, EVERY ONE OF THEM!
That told us sex was evil, that took a beautiful thing and made it dirty.
Child sex always any time will be evil, forced sex too.
We cover for authority, first and foremost Churches, many a child victim has been flogged for telling the truth.
Many a nonhuman has walked free, these days any one in authority, because SOME OF US COVER FOR THEM.
See my much loved ALP its recent history in NSW see the unthinking attacks on Gillard, for doing what any of us worth knowing would do.
IF we let our biases rule then we settle for less.
We can fix this and any problem if we put out come ahead of self.

Frankly, man is rather a self-defeating entity in some ways. He is capable of great intelligence and great manipulation. He is most competent at setting up institutions supposedly resting on a bedrock of moral, ethical and so-called "spiritual" pretexts...yet he is the most highly sexed of the primates.

Methinks there exists a fundamental incongruity between his ethical aspirations and his carnal reality.

Belly,
One of the reasons I am cynical about the proposed RC is that it seems to be going too wide. I really think there is sufficient for a RC in just abuse of kids under churches control and not just catholic church. Was not Hollingsworth forced to resign as GG because of his bad handling of abuse allegations?

I believe such a RC would be the same as the inquiry in Ireland, just on a smaller scale.

Certainly I am not discounting the need for other inquiries/RC into other instances of child abuse, sexual or other, but the churches one seems to be the most pressing. Problem is that some overlap as seen in the 'Forgotten Australians' inquiry where institutions were run by churches, the government and NGOs.

We will see what happens when guidelines are set for this RC

G'day BELLY 'my Man'...

Look I'm sorry, for again jumping the gun ! In my previous post I had my 'Detective's hat on' and I was of the mistaken belief you're quoting some legal precedent permitting such a unnatural union. If true, it would've been an abuse of law.

Indeed, BELLY, I could cite several cases of abuse of children by men (I feel so ashamed to be a man sometimes, I really do) !

I will not detail specifics, as I don't believe I have that right.

Regrettably, I've known police who turn the other way, upon receiving a complaint of child abuse. These (very few) coppers often nominate the easy way out, by invoking that quaint little mnemonic...F I D O ? A saying amongst police who don't wish to take any action, for whatever reason. Could that official inertia ever be construed as 'dereliction' of duty ? In some cases yes, in others, no.

Have I ever been culpable of failure to do my duty ? Every single man or women who's ever worn 'blue' has, and will continue to do so. But, in these repugnant crimes, most would never entertain such a thought.

Awhile back, I was made aware of a most evocative piece, particularly relevent to - the police; the Church; Schools; in fact any of those in authority, when confronted with something, that's clearly within their aegis, choose to do nothing ? And my greatest criticism of all, is reserved exclusively for our Judiciary per se.

They came for the Communist,
and I didn't object -
For I wasn't a communist;

They came for the Socialist,
and I didn't object -
For I wasn't a Socialist;

They came for the Labour Leader,
and I didn't object -
For I wasn't a Labour Leader;

They came for the Jew,
and I didn't object -
For I wasn't a Jew;

Then they came for me,
And there was no one left to object.

I dunno BELLY and BANJO, it sure hits it for me, what do you blokes think ?

Cheers...Sung Wu.