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Is Australia a 'torn' nation?

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Mutual friends have recently informed me of a builder, who under existing provisions is allowed to import/sponsor ‘skilled labour’ supposedly needed to complete his projects.
The rub is, their skills are concocted & each individual he imports gives him a kick-back of $30,000.His current employee is his third successive import- sounds like a lucrative sideline!

And I recon I could safely say he would not be Robinson Crusoe.
Posted by Horus, Friday, 20 April 2007 2:28:10 AM
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Alanpoi
its true what you said.. to a point. But I say the reverse is true, and just because you have brown skin, sloping eyes, and speak a different first language does not make you superior.

Your argument is the typical one that 'minorities' use to gain social and political advantage. Characterizing themselves as the 'marginalized victim' by the 'Superior self regarding majority'.

Now "THAT" is a load of bollocks. The reality is this, all people are equal..sure, but in distinct socio/cultural/linguistic groups they tend to see the world through THOSE blinkered eyes. Hence they pick on the majority for perceived maginalization. Why ? simple, they want to be top dog in the junkyard.

Most members of majorities don't have any sense of 'superiority' they just have a sense of 'equalibrium and normality'. I doubt they/we go to the mirror each morning and thank God we are 'wasps' or the such like. No, but when one small group suddenly tries to change our laws and culture...AAH THEN you 'feel' it.

At that point it is not about superiority or inferiority its about a direct threat to your culture !
Now.. you might feel ok with that, but many of us don't and we are not so stupid as to allow a bit of harsh (and vested interest) criticism from historically ignorant, socially naive, idealistic loony lefties change us.

The whole point about protecting a culture is to protect it for ALL.
How dare anyone come to this country with the idea that they have a superior culture or language or value system ! They come as it is, and then participate as equal citizens but NOT to make it a clone of 'their old country'.
PS. yes, the whites did just that, but they won, now we live with that legacy and unless you want to change it by firepower, I suggest you learn to live with it.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 20 April 2007 8:10:29 AM
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500 Edinists=integration,
50,000 Edinists=a ghetto
500,000 Edinists=an invasion.
Speed of change is everything.
Posted by palimpsest, Friday, 20 April 2007 6:51:37 PM
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BOAZ said: "I don't think it should ever be a matter of 'Western' or 'Asian' identity, they are not mutually incompatable. In any case, 'Asian' is not monolithic."

Australia is not an Asian country, neither geographically nor culturally.

Although Australia is sometimes categorized as belonging to the so-called "Asia-Pacific" region, the term "Asia-Pacific" itself is geographically erroneous. It's a bit like lumping Morocco, Libya, Algeria etc. with Europe as "Europe-North Africa".

Australia's position in the world is unique. From Sydney, one looks out towards New Zealand; from Perth, towards southern Africa; from Brisbane, towards the Pacific nations and the Americas; from Melbourne, Hobart and Adelaide, one faces nothing but Antarctica. Only from the sparsely-populated northern edge of Australia do you see the gradual transition from Melanesia to Asia’s outer rim. Beijing is closer to London, Paris and Berlin than it is to Canberra.

Rather than try to be something that it is clearly not, Australia should accept its own unique identity - a European-derived Pacific nation on the edge of Asia's outer rim but with both feet in the Western world.
Posted by Oligarch, Sunday, 22 April 2007 12:29:54 AM
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Speaking from a position of being 'past it' and full of 'I remember when', I can say that I am glad that I am past it and can no longer grieve when I see what my country is becoming.
I think Australia's best years were post WW2 when there was an excitement around, we offered European migrants a new life IN RETURN for what they had to give [and not just we give and they take.]
We had full employment, no civil unrest, no ethnic gang war,no drugged or drunken teenagers to cope with and somehow life was simpler, more law abiding and a bloody sight more satisfying than now.
We were poorer financially but richer in all other ways, we were more innocent but we never doubted who we were. I wish we were there still.
Posted by mickijo, Sunday, 22 April 2007 4:11:48 PM
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The idea that Australia has no sense of cultural identity is total nonsense that was popularized in Donald Horne's patronising Book The Lucky Country published in 1963. For someone who claimed to care about his country he did a rather admirable hatchet job by focusing on our 'failings' and 'lack of culture' while ignoring the very real achievements made by generations of Australians. Horne's twisted view of Australia was built up to even greater heights by Paul Keating, who promoted multiculturalism to garner votes himself and his party. Keating and his mate Leo McLeay held neighboring seats with a large lebanese muslim population and they knew that by importing hordes of immigrants who'd vote labour they would eventually build up enough numbers to shore up the Labour party's core of supporters. Keatings also the man who overrode the department of immigrations decision to deport Sheik Hilali in spite of evidence that Hilali was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, who were influenced by the writings of Sayyid Qutb, an Islamic theologian who promoted violence and who's writings influence Islamic terrorist groups, including al-Qa'ida. Today we are left facing the legacy of self serving politicians with entire suburbs becoming enclaves to people who have no interest in becoming Australian, and their cause is supported by leftists who silence criticism of their multiculturalist policies with thought control tactics, crying 'racist' at the merest suggestion their policy is flawed. The current government has made steps in the right direction towards a immigration policy that focuses on assimilation, rather than self-segregation which only weakens the shared values that made this country great.
Posted by Gitmo Guy, Sunday, 22 April 2007 11:51:24 PM
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