First Hasbeen I consider you a mate.
Cut me some slack re read your post, put your self in my place.
See it as me addressing you.
Now do you see why I reacted that way?
David, you miss read a QUESTION from me not a statement.
Here however are my views all truly held.
Climate change is real.
Man plays a roll.
Actions we take can make a difference.
Self interest and power is campaigning to convince some it is crap.
However, again in truth, the Greens have done more to hurt the campaign than help.
DLP/Democrats used their power base to negotiate, Greens try to impose on the 80 to 90%
You may dislike it as much as you wish, but Australia agrees.
Greens brand is the kiss of death.

I am well aware this subject raises hackles, on both sides.
And that, on both sides lies are currency.
It seems my truth has stalled the thread.
I can find no way to avoid the simple truth.
Most of us do not follow the greens thought processes.
That a party formed after a Labor gift, Hawkes saving the Franklin River.
Well yes Brown drove the fight, but Bob gifted him, and this country the river.
Has become much more than a conservation movement, a radicals home.
In truth, if we, both sides leave our biases in the bucket at the door, not our brains.
And read the very latest, news, Governments all over the world, and yes weather reports .
It seems, true or not, more are concerned than not.
See is nature playing politics thread.
Wriggle room, a way of saying how do I get out of here if it is proved I am wrong?
Some left no room to Wriggle.
IF climate change is not man made, how could we prove it/
If it is we can not.
But most know we need a cleaner planet, fuels, power,rivers forests.
So I want no wriggle room I am content to be judged by my words.

Dear Belly,

I agree. Most Australians do not care for the Greens. However, unpopularity does not mean one is wrong. Right or wrong is not decided on the basis of popularity.

At one time the White Australia policy was very popular in Australia, and people were against those who opposed that policy.

Being unpopular does not mean one is right either.

However, that seems to be your main argument against the Greens. Others don't like them, and you are going to go along with what others think. Maybe you can't do better than that.

I & neither can anyone else say with certainty do not know if there is or isn't a climate change. The weather patterns we are accustomed to are certainly out of synch. However, is this a climate change or merely a small natural adjustment ? If it is man-influenced climate change it's taken some 300 years to create & will take longer to reverse it if indeed it can be reversed.
Those who cause it have shown already that they're unwilling to curb their practices. A tax paid by some 6 million silly mutts isn't doing anything when there are 3 billion or more who aspire to be as silly as the six million. Stop frivolous industry, warfare, excessive air travel etc. & we may, just may have the tiniest of hope of doing something positive towards making our climate worse. Turn off your air cons, stop motor racing, only drive small cars would be be a start. All other rhetoric or taxes are simply pointless nonsense.

David, I see the reasons the conservative section (right) of the ALP vehemently oppose The Greens is two fold. Yes we have eroded their political base, I use the word 'their' in broad terms as conservative Labor voters are closer to One Nation than they are to The Greens and a shift in their vote would be to the right and very unlikely to flow to a progressive party such as The Greens. This does have a marked effect where non preferential voting applies such as in state elections, where the ALP loose marginal seats with exhausted Green votes. Significantly, regardless of the preferential system in place Greens gain upper house seats and sometimes the balance of power. In this way we can drive our progressive political agenda, an agenda which does not sit well with the conservative Labor right.

First Indy, well done you tried and it came out better.
But far more than 6 million are paying for it.
I get great joy out of the view it is a Gillard con trick, the Lady, if you insist on calling her that, I will not, did not want the tax.
The world today has around a fifth of its population living under one form or another of carbon reduction schemes, it will increase after up coming meetings on the subject well done Indy.
Paul Dave, grant me a hearing please.
I once had high hopes for your party.
But my views are mine and not in fear of the real damage your party inflicts every day on mine.
Is it asking too much?
To give my words the same respect you give your own?
I have never used terms like those Paul heaves around to play down your side or you both.
Is there any room, to think my thoughts come about AFTER UNDERSTANDING your policy's.
In the dark alleys of Industrial Relations, I have seen true enemy's of my pride and joy, UNIONISM! the CFMEU a hairy grub's trail of users, Pay for Greens campaigns.
Users and destroyers who harm their own members with lies and wasteful Strikes over nothing, supporters maybe more each day controllers of your once CONSERVATIONIST party.
Are you sure 80% of us are wrong? will fall to our knees and beg you to stop us using coal/timber/so very much but start using drugs?
I wish a leader, one with middle of the road credentials, could be found for your party.
See if you went, as all other party's have, to the voters not your dreams, you could indeed at the least force ALP power brokers to get away from the drivers seat.
IF you had the potential you wrongly think you have then you would not be short of members.
However now and forever your actions ensure the ALP is the only party of choice warts and all for those opposing your COALITION PARTNERS THE LIBERALS.