The labor Government made a big thing about the mining tax and its implementation and benefits to Australia - Trouble is after 3 months it has not raised 1 cent. Therefore the critical questions to be answered is.

Exactly how many high paid bureaucrats and lower paid pen pushers in Canberra and around the country are employed by whatever department is responsible for this project of yours?

Good question.A new tax that doesn't work but the Carbon Tax will drive us all into abject poverty.

Labor are all about image without substance.They all have one aim,"Whatever it takes" to make them secure and richer.

Arjay,

"...abject poverty...." - haw, haw : )

You sound like Tony Abbott let loose with an electricity bill.

Poirot,
And you sound like someone who hasn't more than 3 minutes of foresight.

I have to agree Labour was pretty stupid on this one.

By agreeing to absorb increases in State royalties they have given free reign for the Queensland and Western Australian governments to hike up the rate. Queensland looks set to pull in an extra 1.6 billion over the next for years and the miners are rightly screaming as this is a base rather than a profits based tax.

another question for the misssoggynessst

if she says it aint so..then reveal the comm car records
of the govt cars used ..that i hear from multiple sources..deliver em to our various leaders..in act..

apparently you get the dirt..on ya member
and that gets party loyalty...from that dirty ,member..think thompson's slippers.

dont say you dont know
http://12160.info/xn/detail/2649739:Video:1024025?xg_source=activity

ya gotta love taxing invisable gas..[the very basis of all life
Czech police uncovers a $20 million carbon credit fraud,
a day later, it also foils a $100 million solar fraud
http://xrepublic.tv/node/730

or how serving the public enriches selfishness
Top 15 Richest Members of Congress Exposed
http://12160.info/page/wealth-wire-about-metals-inflation-finance-economy-energy-equitie

look into the wealth of spouses/relitives too
heck the ability to spend our money..demands more trust that they have[to serve our intrsts /not their own nor their mates..treason means things..real things to real people..and the queens crown is corrupted
as well as her coin..been debased..let alone her 'money system'

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/10/25/there-is-no-national-debt-unless-you-want-it/

more insider traitering?
http://12160.info/page/telegraph-notes-mystery-german-gold-withdrawal-and-gata-s-clamor

think why this?
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/obama-closer-to-seizing-control-of-cyberspace-exec-order-imminent/24283/

http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-season-2-episode-4-john-fiztgerald-kennedy-assassination/

http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2012/10/uk-support-for-us-drones-in-pakistan.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_additives_thimerosal_formaldehyde.html

treason takes many forms
shades of grey..

yet the facts are black/blue
buising mainly you
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/911-red-pill/24281/

so you love your job
here is where your 'shoval ready'.bailout fun*ding went
http://www.infowars.com/congresswoman-tsa-hiring-pedophiles-to-conduct-pat-downs/

some would seize tens of trillions
*held by government agencies... as noted by http://www.CAFR1.com .
http://www.cafr1.com/

When money is created
the money to pay the interest is not created.

The shortfall is what causes economic strife (theft, murder, war, etc) and the only “answer” allowed is to refinance principal and interest into a larger debt.

Repeat until unable to meet “financial obligations'

This first article outlines how IMF economists have finally admitted that what they were doing was wrong.

IMF Economists: ‘We Were Wrong.’ Will Someone Please Tell The Press And The Politicians.

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/imf-economists-we-were-wrong-will-someone-please-tell-the-press-and-the-politicians/

This next article tells how Debt Cancellation would work.

The New Economics, Radical Solutions Required And Offered

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/the-new-economics-radical-solutions-required-and-offered/

Catherine Austin Fitts; There Is No Fiscal Cliff In January 2013 Unless You Want It

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/catherine-austin-fitts-there-is-no-fiscal-cliff-in-january-2013-unless-you-want-it/

The Chinese Are Buying Gold
As If They Knew The Dollar Would Die Very Soon
[or know its cheaper to steal..with fiat fictions]promises on the never never tax tab.. than mine the suff..from the dirt

http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/the-chinese-are-buying-gold-as-if-they-knew-the-dollar-would-die-very-soon/

how about the untold frakking cover-up
http://www.examiner.com/article/sinkhole-salt-dome-outer-edge-collapsed-fracked?CID=examiner_alerts_article

lest we forget..how corrupt our leaders really are
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/galleryoffakebinladens.php

those without morals fake it
and if not faking it..meeting the need..of servile to greed
http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/10/25/no-matter-how-the-government-spins-it-what-we-are-looking-at-now-is-a-conspiracy-to-cover-up-paedophile-and-other-crimes-in-plain-sight/

Individual yet another insult.
It seems impossible for you to post without doing it.
I must revert to your style, only with substance, to tell you this glass houses!
You with out doubt, should never denigrate any one.
As for the thread.
It is the first quarter under consideration for the tax ever.
A quarter that saw lay offs and prices plunge.
Those proposing it will not collect any tax are so very wrong it asks questions about their understanding.
Poirot, some times the content of a post best rebuts it and its author
Indys self assurance is so miss placed and miss used it is humorous.

Scientist that discovered GMO health hazards
immediately fired, team dismantled

http://www.naturalnews.com/037665_GMO_scientists_organ_damage.html#ixzz2ADUxtYOT

Though it barely received any media attention at the time, a renowned British biochemist who back in 1998 exposed the shocking truth about how genetically-modified organisms (GMOs) cause organ damage, reproductive failure, digestive dysfunction, impaired immunity,

and cancer, among many other conditions,
was immediately fired from his job, and the team of researchers who assisted him dismissed from their post within 24 hours from the time when the findings went public.

First the financial system collapses
and it's impossible to access one's money.
http://12160.info/forum/topics/will-the-apocalypse-arrive-online

Then the power and water systems stop functioning.
Within days, society has begun to break down.

...It's US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta's vision of the future

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/by-gods-promise-this-land-is-ours-settlers-attack-palestinian-oliver-pickers.html
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/10/24/US-Israel-sign-off-on-loan-guarantees/UPI-84071351111971/?

and now they fire up the haarp
http://news.yahoo.com/hybrid-sandy-winter-storm-threatens-east-coast-064040714.html

why?
http://www.constitutionalconcepts.org/creditriver.htm
The Federal Reserve Act..is Unconstitutional
http://www.healthfreedom.info/Federal_Reserve_Fraud.htm
A Minnesota Trial Court's decision holding:
the Federal Reserve Act unconstitutional ..and VOID
http://www.dailypaul.com/73691/constitutional-question-about-the-federal-reserve-act

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/09/24/the-federal-reserve-vs-the-constitution/

The Federal Reserve Bank is NOT actually a lending operation. IT IS A FIAT PRINTING PRESS. It is an illegal monopoly on the power to counterfeit fiat paper, as U.S. “dollars”. That’s right, I said COUNTERFEIT. It is an unconstitutional, and therefore illegal, monopoly on the power to counterfeit “money” into existence, in its own hands of course. A power that has of course, been unconstitutionally granted to the bank’s owners by the morons (and traitors) in Congress.

The reason why this is all true is because the bank DOES NOT POSSESS THE MONEY THAT IT LENDS, BUT SIMPLY COUNTERFEITS IT OUT OF THIN AIR. Tell me, how do you lend to others, that which you do not actually possess yourself to lend?

Can you lend money that you do not possess ?
to someone who asks for a loan, or for help?

HOW DOES THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK DO IT? (By illegal monopoly?) You don’t really think they actually have ten trillion dollars to lend to the U.S. government, do you? So how is it possible?

http://www.tax-freedom.com/ta24000.htm

Three months is hardly enough time to calculate anything. The question at hand is not worth anything, Another barrel scraping from misguided individuals.

Yes OUG they (International Banksters) have created a world derivative market of $ 700 trillion which is 10 times the GDP of the planet.Unless they enforce a Glass Steagall Act people could lose 90% of their money.

These Wall St criminals are accountable to no one.Too big to fail and too big to gaol.

Belly,
I see, it's ok for others to insult our decency but it's wrong to react to others' lack of it ?
I find it insulting in the extreme the way I am being treated by our authorities & what they're doing to our society. You may well feel pleased about it but I & many others who care are deeply offended. It's up to your conscience who you want to support.

Philip S, I think the critical question is: why is the mining tax not generating any income at the moment and why are the projections of the revenue it is supposed to generate being progressively lowered?

Gillard and her government desire to do something meaningful in the interests of securing a healthy future for our country. The carbon tax and the MRRT are fundamentally good moves in the right direction. However, the government is hopelessly compromised by the real power base: big business, which will only condone these moves if they don’t significantly affect their profit margins.

So we simply get good initiatives being watered down into uselessness and which end up as no more than token efforts.

If our governmental system was set up so that there was a much better level of independence from the pressures of big business, we’d have a meaningful effort moving us way from our addiction to fossil fuels and onto renewable energy sources, a much better return from our mineral wealth to us the ordinary people, and a genuine move towards a sustainable society.

I think that the will is largely there within the current government, but that they are simply unable to exercise it to any meaningful extent.

Firstly they called the tax the RSPT and then changed it to the MRRT, I think they should rename the MRRT after those that negotiated it. The "IDIOT" tax has a nice ring.

For those that think 3 months is not enough to predict that Swan will not get $2bn this year, need to explain then why 1 month is sufficient to calculate company tax payments.

The rotting carcass of the Federal government and their cronies certainly has the smell of decay, but the stench of failure will benchmark them in the history books.

MMRT………….FAIL
FUELWATCH………….FAIL
GROCERYWATCH………….FAIL
PINK BATTS………….FAIL
BER………….FAIL
SOLAR………….FAIL
SCHOOL COMPUTERS………….FAIL
INDIGENOUS HOUSING………….FAIL
INDIGENOUS HEALTH………….FAIL
SUPERCLINICS………….FAIL
FEDERAL HOSPITALS………..FAIL
CHILDCARE CENTRES………….FAIL
AGED CARE BEDS………….FAIL
TRADE TRAINING CENTRES………….FAIL
BOARDER SECURITY………….FAIL
NBN………….FAIL
BALANCE BUDGET………….FAIL

Then you have the ALP’s triumphs:

IMPLIMENT CARBON TAX………..TRIUMPH
RECORD DEFICIT………..TRIUMPH
OPEN BOARDERS………..TRIUMPH
RECORD FOOD IMPORTS………..TRIUMPH
LAND FOREIGN OWNERSHIP………..TRIUMPH
WIVES TRAVEL FREE………..TRIUMPH

By the look of the triumphs you would have to say that the ALP is working for the Global banksters, the United Nations and the airlines.
Gillard just lies when it suits her, her governments morality gives support to the likes of Slipper and Thompson who are morally bankrupt. This week Carr’s use of taxpayers’ funds to pay for his second honeymoon shows the contempt they hold for the electorate. They hate us and we are growing to hate them, something new in Australian politics if you discount Labors history of faction fighting.

Luddy, & here I was thinking you were a reasonably smart bloke.

"Gillard and her government desire to do something meaningful in the interests of securing a healthy future for our country", you've got to be kidding. The only thing meaningful for her is to sleep in the lodge, & never work again. The bunch of hangers on with her will never be able to see past a dollar sign, & the rest of the harpies in the womens section, [wash my mouth out, I almost said ladies], are about the most viscous nest of vipers I have ever seen.

And to think I thought Richardson was a disgusting con man, hell he's a nursery rhyme character to this lot. In fact I think he way have almost reformed, something that even 6ft of earth would not achieve with the dregs in there now.

Yes I know you're a recovering greenie, but I'm starting to think your relapsing. Do be careful, or your recovery will fail.

579 - Quote "Three months is hardly enough time to calculate anything"

Please be so kind as to 1st read post, 2nd activate brain (so you understand what you have read), 3rd then comment.

I will repeat my question so you can more closely follow the above steps before putting foot in mouth.
Quote
"Exactly how many high paid bureaucrats and lower paid pen pushers in Canberra and around the country are employed by whatever department is responsible for this project of yours?"
Even if the figure collected was a few million I would like to know how many actual people were being employed to implement and keep the scheme running.

Ludwig - I agree BIG business runs the country not the people we elect. How many times in the past 20 years have you seen newspaper headlines - Ford, Holden, Alcoa etc will have to close a plant or leave Australia for FINANCIAL reasons, A few days later the Governments of the day (labor Liberal - state or Federal) are throwing millions there way and offering BIG tax or electricity rate reductions.
BIG business is good at paying very little or no tax. Same with the very rich people paying very little or no tax.

.....BIG business is good at paying very little or no tax. Same with the very rich people paying very little or no tax.

Philip, if you went out and borrowed billions, and risk everything, you too could pay less tax, however, this argument is a distortion of the real picture.

Before paying tax, there are deductions, which by the way, would be paid as tax if not there in the first place.

Big business pays exactly the correct amount of tax, in most cases, which is currently 30c in the $. Not a red cent more.

Just thank your lucky stars that big business has the BALLS to take these risks, otherwise we would all suffer, as there would be very few jobs on offer and very few places to see, invest in and spend our money.

Then reality is, our taxation system is doomed and simply can not keep up with demand.

A whole new approach is what is needed and a transaction tax, whereby money is taxed, not people, would be a good starting point.

rehctub - 2 words "tax havens" but I totally agree the tax system needs fixing.

Individual rich people use trust funds and corporations to negate paying tax because they earned nothing much but the millions they spend is spent by the corporations they control for like $1 per share.
The Companies are registered in a country with very low tax rates, even though as with a few in Guernsey all they have is an empty office with a mailing address. No time to do full write up on there tactics but you should be easily able to find them.
Remember Allan Bond years ago paying 1 cent tax on the dollar.

Flat Tax will sort this nonsense ! Like the bloke who claimed cyclone damage a 1000 km from where the winds were blowing because the rain kept patrons away, phantom patrons yet he got 10 Grand & bought himself an $ 8000.- watch. Unethical ? Yes, but who let him claim that ? You guessed it, bureaucrats.
Anyone can make money that way. Fortunately there are still many who are decent enough not to exploit stupid Governments. Bureaucrats are even worse than business people. At least business gives something back.

Unfortunately you still have about 48 -50 per cent of people who will still vote for these charlatons (Greens/Labour). When we arrive at Greece and Spains level of debt it will be those who support this idiocy that will be rioting in the streets trying to defend their tax payer benefits despite it destroying the nation.

I don't know how the states are going to benefit from extra royalties.
Wasn't the deal that extra royalties were to be deducted from state reimbursement of GST, and given to the miners.
We are paying less tax now in real terms than 10 years ago, so if you want to pay more tax raise the GST, that way everybody pays.
No idea what phillip is on about, he talks in riddles.

rich people use trust funds and corporations to negate paying tax
Philip S,
Yes that is the crux of the problem. Who let's them do that ? We do ! The argument that you wouldn't have industry if you didn't have this system is just crap of the purest kind.
They reap the rewards & the rest of us pays for their mistakes & shortfalls. It's a crap of a system & needs to be done away with. Any worker could be employing others by paying so little tax. Investment ? Give me a break ! Like those companies who go broke whilst having hundreds of millions ? If anyone can't see that the present system is so massively flawed then nothing can help us. Whatever happened to fair go & all those clichés that make everyone feel so warm'n fuzzy at elections ? Everyone pay the same rate Period ! If a company loses someone's Super than the Government should either compensate the people by giving them the money. After all it was the Government who let the company operate in the first place. Or the Company's managers should have to forfeit their personal properties to compensate the people. No good screaming investment risk when THEY've got nothing to lose. Why are such companies allowed to run that low in the first place ?
There's only one reason why this kind of crap is occurring because of our crap tax system !
The average household has more competence in managing than these so-called experts.

579,

GST is described as a regressive tax, in that the rich can avoid and pay a lesser proportion than the poor. This is why it is electoral poison.

With a 2% TT the most anyone will ever pay is $2 for evey $100 earned. So on say a gross average wage of $66,000 is about $1300 per year. Full stop!

The trick is, while money can only be spent once, it can ne used an unlimited number of times, transferring from account to account, collecting a small tax every time.

Now given the current system means one pays about $15,000 tax on that $66K salary, this would put about $13,700 (round numbers) extra in the pay packet.

Now that would stimulate the economy.

We could pay everyone (of working age) say $10,000 tax free per year, no questions asked and if you don't want to work, thats fine, but you get nothing more.

Welfare is all but gone. No work, no extra.

No need for tax returns and, if you do claim any expenses, YOU WILL BE AUDITED.

This tax would also stop the tax evasions from OS accounts, as any money leaving the country would be taxed at 2%.

So, why won't they ( governments) do it?

there is good reason we dont tax transactions

CNBC Exec’s Children Murdered,
1 Day After CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit

By: NotForSale2NWO
http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/27/cnbc-execs-children-murdered-1-day-after-cnbc-reports-43-trillion-bankster-lawsuit/


This week financial news organization CNBC gave some mainstream attention to the largest money laundering and racketeering lawsuit in United States History, in which “Banksters” and their U.S. racketeering partners are being accused of laundering of 43 trillion dollars worth of ill gotten gains.

The lawsuit is said to involve officials located in the highest offices of government and the financial sector.
Since this information was surprisingly revealed by the mainstream news organization there has been a very suspicious and deadly fallout at the CNBC headquarters.

Within hours the original page for the article was taken down, and CNBC senior vice president Kevin Krim received news that his children were killed under very suspicious circumstances

read the peliminary declaration
it seems to be serious

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5857/usaracketeeringonmortga.pdf

but wait there is more
http://www.silverdoctors.com/cnbc-mope-actual-existence-of-gold-reserves-is-irrelevant-its-the-bookkeeping-that-matters/

lest we forget sadman insane wanted gold ..ditto gadfly
the gold issue is huge..

The obvious inevitable next step is for the US Government to outlaw private ownership of gold (again), order the American people to turn in their gold to cover the shortfall (like We The People actually have that much) and "compensate" he looted Americans with the aforesaid worthless paper notes..

startt up the printing presses
promises ..but wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZZQzGeuBLQ

remember pearl har ha ber
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fall-1941-pearl-harbor-and-the-wars-of-corporate-america/28159

and we too got a whitre paper
we are the t erroists
http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/27/new-un-white-paper-defines-internet-users-as-potential-terrorists/

transaction tax is just
not just us..but any moving cash anywhere
i suggest double if via a tax haven..or from a trust..or corp..or non living entity..or those greedy despoiling it all
http://xrepublic.tv/node/754
http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2291-welcome-to-the-age-of-hell-entrenching-murder-as-the-american-way.html

the nanny did it
apparently reminding us of manchuria

Could there be a REAL 'Manchurian Candidate'?
TV show to test whether innocent people can be turned into brainwashed assassins?[/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2223571/TV-test-innocent-people-turned-brainwashed-assassins.html[/quote]

this was something i studied when i was doing research on advertising. here it is in action.
[video width=425 height=344 type=youtube]oC9J6O6soHA[/video]

i suggest watching all his work...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9J6O6soHA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKpnGHhtylg&feature=player_embedded
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/27/broke-cities_n_2025731.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/26/company-linked-to-deadly-meningitis-ignored-warnings-says-fda/
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/technocratic-control-over-greek-gold-is.html
http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/ascendence-sociopaths-us-governance

but of course the spin is in..the timming and the fun-ding*
white paper promises..by black hearted faceless men running a missogenists scam

i wish them well
but the inhouse mysogenists rule
lord it over her roost..how long wil her 'man';..stay..once her dependance upon his presence..for normalicy.. is past..

who would have though the mans game
would succum to weeping and gnashing of spin..
as long as its push/polled..the spin becomes sin..no mattrer how far distant the aspiration.

The tax was designed by a Committee headed by Don Argus, a former Chairman of BHP, and based of the requirements of BHP and Rio. It would be most surprising if it raises any revenue from those companies and probably not from the smaller miners either.