I have to admit...this is brilliant...and I've never heard it put this way.....plain and simple!

Many Muslims today are not happy!

They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco .
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq .
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan .
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria .
They're not happy in Lebanon .


So, where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in the UK .
They're happy in Canada.
They're happy in the US .
They're happy in France .
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Italy .
They're happy in Sweden .
They're happy in Denmark ..
They're happy in Norway .

So They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

And who do they blame?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY.

have I missed something here?
You know the funny thing is that there is NO MUSLIM COUNTRY as such, it is an ideology only where its followers invade & Inflict/enforce their beliefs through fear on to the original inhabitant

There are cases now of Muslims sneaking out of the country at Dover for instance, because they do not like the life they are having in the UK.

@ Robert LePage

<<There are cases now of Muslims sneaking out of the country at Dover for instance, because they do not like the life they are having in the UK>>

Yeah, but after 6 months training with al-Qaeda or Al-Shabaab they sneak right back!

I think it's a bit like street gangs or public demonstrations. Certain individuals tend to become more violent and aggressive when they are with others who are like-minded. So when they are a minority they are not so bold and generally toe the line. It's a bit like a virus that spreads and multiplies when the conditions are right. In this case the right conditions are group reinforcement.

Islam is the religion of peace the moderates keep insisting, until they have the numbers. When the Moslems hit critical mass, the moderates become a load less moderate and accepting of others.

But there is more to the aggressive Middle Eastern Moslems than the religion, its called being a Semite. Semites that migrate want to dominate their surroundings. Other Semites like Jewish folks punch well above their weight percentage wise in the academic and financial spheres and have a vast amount of control on the policy makers of the nation they reside in. Arabs are simple tribal souls who dominate by procreation, but neither makes a good neighbour if they have the whip hand.

All that being said it does not relate to the individual, it is the group dynamic that I discuss.

At the end of the day, if you are not an Arab you are always and forever alien to them and their religion, no matter what has passed between you, the same with the Jews and their religion.

So I gather you are saying, the only happy Muslim is an unhappy one.

Well that makes sense, seeing as how they have a real problem deciding who/where to hate.

Where did you find that information Banjo?
Maybe off the KKK website? Or was it the 'I'm a Superior White Christian' website?

Do you know how all Muslims in all these countries actually feel do you?

The British originally spread themselves all over the world, and were often happier in their new countries. They certainly didn't 'integrate' well in countries like Australia, America, Ireland, Africa, and India.
Instead they tried , and often succeeded, to force their own cultures and religions on their new lands and the native inhabitants.

People in glass houses...

Banjo, you know we share opinions on this issue.
But I firmly think we can go too far.
Not every Muslim is, or ever will be a problem.
Just as not every Lebanese Migrant is or ever was a promlem.
We have pre ww 2 refugees from both the faith and the country mentioned.
Get.s tricky here.
Every country you mentioned has problems, clearly an over representation taking numbers in to consideration.
Dare I say it is the faith not the people, the actions of some in the name of that faith that is the problem.
We should NEVER forget, the page one day may be highlighted by over seas press.
And our contributions, while heart felt, truly fearing for our own way of life, should not see our site, self, country, branded racist.
I think we hold the right to fear but can fight without getting to the level some of those sign wavers world wide do.

The country with the biggest Muslim population in the world (Indonesia) seems reasonably happy.

Maybe some of those in the Middle East are not happy because parts of the West (UK and USA in particular) have deliberately and systematically overthrown their democratically elected governments and installed oppressive regimes, plundered their resources and kept them as economic basket cases for the last 100 years.
"It is the policy of this Government to promote and maintain instability in the Middle East" said the British Government to ensure the supply of oil.

Maybe a 1% royalty for oil is a bit unfair. Maybe no royalty at all for providing pipeline access is also unfair. Maybe empty promises of assistance to rebuild after fighting proxy wars on behalf of others is also unfair.

Then again, our wealth relies on their poverty.

But that's just history I suppose. Never let it get in the way of ignorance or blind prejudice.

Let's just generalise everything instead and tar them all with the same brush.

wobbles,
Oil rich Muslim countries are not poor as you state. They are rather wealthy. Agricultural Muslim cuntries may be poor.

Oil rich Muslim countries are not so poor?

As far as GDP per capita is concerned, the IMF puts Saudi Arabia 13 places behind Israel and the World Bank puts them 8 places behind.

The only Muslim countries with a better GDP Per Capita than Israel are some small monarchies drowning in oil.

However, even in those despotic but wealthy regimes it doesn't mean the average citizen gets a fair share of that income, except through welfare.

Maybe that's one of the main reasons for the unrest in Egypt and Syria.

After the Egypt uprising, the Saudis decided to hand out big wads of cash to their citizens.

Your showing a bit of that prejudice there yourself Wobbles.

You only have to take a little look at how much of the real work, in those oil rich states, is done by imported labor.

An awful lot of the critical work in both the oil industry, health care, & general work would stop if imported skilled people left. Bit hard to be wealthy if you can't do anything.

...elizann....It's a bit like a virus that spreads and multiplies when the conditions are right. In this case the right conditions are group reinforcement.

And how right are the condition here in Oz, they get welfare suport and, they GET PAID to have their multiple child families.

Suseonline, huge difference my dear, not one of those immigrants you mentioned threatened beheading of anyFOf the locals who dare not follow their ways.

I think perhaps we need a law that clearly states, anyone involved ( that means attending) any demonstration that promotes the killing/beheading of anyone should be deported, no ifs, no buts and, if the families of anyone deported complains, then they can join them.

We MUST rid our peaceful nation of this garbage.

I am afraid it must be a case of , it's our way, or the highway for anyone who publicly supports the likes of beheading.

And Belly, while I agree with your view that not all Muslims are bad people, you have to remember one thing, that being, while not every Muslim is a terrorist, every terrorist is most likely a Muslim.

To me, the risk of allowing JUST ONE TERRORIST to reside in our peace loving nation is one too many.

If you (immigrants of all kinds) wish to call Australia home, toe the line, or leave.

Surely asking that our peaceful way of life be preserved, is not a racist statement.

not all Muslims are bad people.
That is correct unfortunately though they're forced to toe the bad line. For those who can't visualise that it's a bit like our Public Service. There are many good ones but they're not allowed to perform i.e. up-staging the crooked ones.

Who is really HAPPY about maintaining a segegrated Muslim community in Australia? Definitely not the nation's citizens and business corporations.

Those who are actually HAPPY are our politicians. A bit of ongoing racial violence and imminent terrorism is just what our politicians need in society to make us realise how much we need them to be in control of our lives.

Rehctub <"Suseonline, huge difference my dear, not one of those immigrants you mentioned threatened beheading of anyFOf the locals who dare not follow their ways."

Is that right dear? Oh yes, far better to have stormed into a country like Australia and shot all the native people who resisted, taken their women and their land.
Then cause mass deaths from all the diseases they bought with them from the 'mother country'!

Oh yes, much better...

And yet, I am not saying that ALL those immigrants from Europe were murderers and rapists, because that would be a racist statement.

I am oposed to Muslim boat refugees being let in .
While they come to live in isolation from us,
While they wear clothing not related to religion to express differences.
I too oppose ANY MORE migration from Muslims.
For all the reasons above.
But I understand too, my views are racist.
And too that view is mirrored in the faces of the enclaves that I speak of, equaling my views of them.
We all must/should stop FOREVER thinking and saying all Muslims are a problem.
In all truth the world can not think mixing us, to turn us in to one people or maybe breed out the problem, the Islamic faith, is an answer.
We will have a war, no way around it.
And after that? if our side wins, and however bloody it will, it will be the Muslim who has never been a problem, them alone, who fix forever this problem.

Suseonline, I don't think this thread is aimed at events from 200+ years ago.

This Muslim issue is here and now. Besides, you would have to look long and hard to find an indigenous person who would want to wind back the clock and live life as their ancestors did, don't you think?

Of cause many would say they would, but seriously!

Susy,
Your comments are too silly. I have no idea if the groups you refered to have websites and if so what they contain, but I would expect their critisisms of muslims to be far stronger.

Belly,
Please understand that to be critical of persons conduct, a religion or a culture is not being racist. For example we do not seem to have problems with non muslim lebanese or israelis or buddists. But I am aware that some people like to try the racist tag to fit what they want. As one who opposes high immigration and multiculturalism I have been called racist and xenophobic many times. I take it that they have no reasonable arguement.

We should acknowledge that some groups are not compatable with our society, because of their culture. We should selectively exclude persons of those groups from our immigration and refugee programmes.

Banjo, you have no hope in getting people to understand your point.
To many it is simply incomprehensible.

I had a job done here once and the first thing he said when he arrived
to do the job was that he was a a Christian Lebanese not a moslem.

That says something, not sure what, but it is significant.

That says something, not sure what, but it is significant.
Bazz,
It's perfectly clear, he saw you coming from miles away. And yes it is significant, sadly.

Bazz,
The bloke was letting you know he was one of the good blokes.

It took 40 years for the previous government to drop the word multiculture from everyday use and they were willing to just let it die. The current PM has raised MC a couple of times but it did not attract public support, so they might have the message now as well.
With a bit of luck the next government will bury MC finally.

As for selective immigration, one has to keep plugging away and hopefully they will see the situation in Europe and implement selective immigration before it is too late here.

Good Morning Banjo.
Bloke read the others posts.
More than anything it will bring you up to date on what is happening around you.
I am here, in thread,s , this week!
Asking that no Muslim boat refugees be let in to Australia.
And calling for and end to Muslim Migration, try the boat people thread.
I racist for it in some eyes, said a war is comeing, between us and them.
And that it is Islam, the belief not the people, who are the problem.
Yet I know I create innocent victims, by my thoughts.
We however have little time, maybe this or next year, to open our eyes to the hate and lies we are to confront, not cuddle.
Banjo, it irks, to so often be targeted by folk who share my confrontational view.
It too annoys to know without doubt, Many Muslims, far too many, came here only to bring trouble.
IF the likely event, in 2013 Iran FORCES A WAR watch for three hundred thousand boat refugees looking for new homes all over the world.

Irrespective of whether or nor one is in favour of allowing a segregated Muslim community to exist in Australian society I think that everyone, including Australian Muslims, knows that one day there will be a dreadful terrorist attack made upon the public by Australian Muslim extremists.

Then Julia Gillard or some other politician who also has superficial knowledge of the world they live in will jump up and claim they can fix the problem if only we vote them into power.

Banjo, I'm with you on that one.

I simply can't understand why on earth we even entertain the likes of practicing Muslims here, as while I am the first to admit that there some great people among them, even they (Muslim leaders) can't control the grubs.

So, the only alternative I see is to rid our country of the RELIGION, not the people, as they are welcome so long as they don't practice this religion that harnesses hatred against humanity. Nit here, not ever, as this is Australia, a peaceful nation.

As I have often said, all are welcome, but they have to leave your baggage behind.

As for Belly's prediction of war, it's coming, it's simply a matter of time in my view.

I think in our PC created world, where softly, softly is the preferred option, we are simply seen as an easy target.

Belly,
Have read the other posts and always yours. I just don't like you refering to yourself as racist when I know you are not. Maybe you are right about a war. The number of the fifth columnists here would be a concern.

Butch,
How do you propose we can ban the religion of Islam. Is there not a clause in the constitution about freedom of religion? Like we cannot deport muslims that are citizens either. We are stuck with what we have, thanks to our idiot politicians.

The only course is to not allow persons to immigrate that belong to groups that have shown they cannot/will not integrate and have no respect for our laws and community standards. By that means we can keep the problem managable.

Banjo "The only course is to not allow persons to immigrate that belong to groups that have shown they cannot/will not integrate and have no respect for our laws and community standards. By that means we can keep the problem managable."

So, by that statement, I assume you mean we should ban ALL Muslim/Islam followers from emigrating to Australia then Banjo? Otherwise, how would you know which of these people would fail to 'integrate'?

What would be the consequences of this action do you think?
The current Muslim citizens of Australia would be upset, to say the least.
If they weren't 'integrating' well before this sort of announcement, imagine how willing they would be to 'fit in' to a society that says we don't want anymore people here like you!
Imagine how angry the youth especially would feel? We would be asking for trouble.

Then we need to consider the predominantly Muslim countries of the world, including our very close Indonesian neighbors . Tourists from these countries certainly wouldn't want to come to Australia again if we say we will allow immigration from anywhere else in the world except Muslim countries. We can ill afford to lose this lucrative tourism trade.

Then we must think about imports and exports to these countries. There are several oil rich Muslim countries that may just refuse to trade with us anymore.
Financially, Australia can ill afford to do without these trading partners.

So you see, there is much more to consider than just having a knee-jerk racist reaction to a complex worldwide problem...

I am afraid, Suzeyonline that the trade argument is a fading away argument.
Tourism and International trade is decreasing as the energy crunch
has more and more effect. Tourism is already being squeezed.

Everything you said is valid, but if the moslems complain they have the
solution in their own hands.

Anyway, why should we bother with all the hassles ?

Hi Belly,
Unfortunately, if people are seeking Asylum, the international laws are very clear, that being, that people genuinly seeking Asylum must be processed. Until it is proven, or otherwise, we have to assume that these people are genuine refugees.
On a news item last week, I saw about half a dozen Muslim males, happily working in Queensland, they are elated to be there and even more-so glad to be working. They all stated that they love Australia and people here (Queenslanders) have been very supportive.

It is most unfortunate that the Press always seem (in my view) to highlight the negatives.

Also, the Mosques run by the Imams' (I hope my spelling is correct), preach their own ideologys', they do not have the same widespread dogmas such as Christianity. Therefore, if the Imam is a radical Muslim, then he is going to teach and support radical behaviour. Please, anybody correct me if I am wrong.

So called 'Normal' Muslim newcomers, come with thanks and gratitude, not to mention relief. It is the (what I call) the Rogue Imams' who stir up the emotions of some.

The Koran is the oldest religion in the Eastern World, as I understand it. But I would hazard a guess that it has been bastardised by some, to fit their personalities. We all know that Australia grew because of the diverse Nationalities that sought to live in Australia, I was one of them.
Let us give a little credit to a lot of Muslims who have been educated and have voluntarily assimilated with the Australian way of Life. I take my hat off to them....at least they are trying.
I have to say, that Islam is as old as the Hills, a gentle religion in its' own form.It had been bastardized over the Centruies, and, I suspect changed to suit the Muslim Leaders (in some cases). Personally I would welcome anyone to this Country, provided they pass the test of being a genuine Refugee.
Cheers for now,
Noisy Scrub Bird.

NSB, this is not your regular immigrants that the media seem to target, as this is a religion that promotes very violent harm on humanity.

That's why i say, if they (muslim leaders) can't control their people, in our country, then that's their problem, not ours.

I say, they either fix the problem, or we remove the cause.

Actually NSB Islam is the last religion to be invented.
Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism as monotheisms all predate
Islam which did not appear till the AD 700s.

Mormonism was invented in the 1820's. Can we ship the Mormons out along with the Muslims?

Cheers,

Tony

NSB well it is not the last but first came the Jewish god, then the Christian one, or is it three? Father Son Holly Ghost.
A fair amount of time passed before the invention of the Islamic God.
Quite strange,but worth an open eye and heart look,each of the three are linked in part,to the first, that one links, not a fabrication, to ages old Gods, even Christmas Celebrates a God or Gods from a distant past.
NSB this issue separates humanity.
If I had my wish, I would, [knowing men need a crutch] want one uniting God invented, a new fresh one,one that unites, not lets one group gloat we won!
The issue of refugees is not the same one as boat people.
Waiting in camps are the true refugees, those who will not or can not come because it is wrong or they are too poor to pay.
This issue controls who win elections here, if I was a Green I would remind my party, not acting puts the other side in power.
And that nothing is achieved by excepting the opposition benches as home.

I'll see your Mormonism, Tony Lavis... and raise you the Baha'i Faith founded in 1844 - monotheistic and Persian, too.

(Even though Scientology calls itself a church and starts in 1952, I don't think it really counts [money aside].)

@ Noisy Scrub Bird,

It must be Spring time, Noisy Scrub Bird has flown south to bless our rooftops and heads with her little pearls.

I’m pleased though she has asked us to << correct me if I am wrong.>> because there so many wrongs.

<< if people are seeking Asylum, the international laws are very clear...Until it is proven, or otherwise, we have to assume that these people are genuine refugees.>> [WRONG]

The Refugee Convention maintains that claimants must establish that they have a well founded fear of persecution.
In OZ "establish" has been warped to: tell a good story. Nothing is ever "proved". As long as they stick to their story they will be rubber stamped “found to be genuine” and sent straight to Centrelink.

<<It is most unfortunate that the Press always seem ... to highlight the negatives> [WRONG]
Most of the negativity is the result of the bad behaviour on behalf of the “asylum seekers”. And in fact, much of their bad behavior is never reported –it's hushed-up.

<< It is the (what I call) the Rogue Imams' who stir up the emotions of some>> [WRONG]
It is misleading to call them “rogue imams” since “rogue” carries meanings of : “An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person”
They are certainly not unprincipled –they adhere very closely to the teachings of the Koran –more so that their *non-rogue* (opportunistic) counterparts.
They are not deceitful –they are very open that they want to impose Islam on everyone.
And they are not unreliable –you can always rely on them to use any method to promote their ends.

<<The Koran is the oldest religion in the Eastern World, as I understand it.>> [WRONG!]
1) The Koran is NOT a religion.
2) And Islam (if that is what you meant) is NOT the “oldest religion” in the “East” however you define “East”.

<<Let us give a little credit to a lot of Muslims … I take my hat off to them>>
That’s Ok you can take off your hat –just so long as you remember to always keep your abaya on.

Hello SPQR,
Thank you, and others for correcting my mistakes, I have taken the information on board. Any piece of information is gladly received.
BTW, I haven't flown South, I live in the South of Western Australia, on the shores of the Southern Ocean. But wherever you live, just give me a buzz if want me to deposit a few incorrect pearls of wisdom.
Enjoy your day,
NSB

@ Noisy,

<<I haven't flown South, I live in the South of Western Australia>>

Holy mackerel catching kingfisher --not another fly-in from WA.
Yaddy's the only one from over there I can understand.

Apologies YaDDy s/b YaBBY