Belly, is that immovable or in convincible, there is a difference you know.

What Pete is trying to convince me of is that despite the decline in mining, the massive loss in revenue, tipped to be around $20billion, the massive jobs losses and the out of control spending on the likes of illegals, that we are still in great shape, not good, great.

I say again and again, PULL THE OTHER ONE.

Boy are you lot In for a shock.

DP,

Australia's economy is the envy of the world in spite of labor's mismanagement. From the accumulation of huge debt from wasteful spending, to policies that make things far more difficult for small businesses such, as the FWA, to the proliferation of red tape and 18000 new regulations, and the new taxes. Your IT business is not affected nearly as much as the rest of the country.

I cannot see one policy that Labor has in place that would help business going forward, and plenty that makes thing worse.

When are the conservatives going to give up pushing the nonsense line that they are the great economic managers. Conservatives live the lie that Labor has huge debt, when in fact Australia's debt is small. Then they proceed to attack the public service, their fellow Australians, portraying them as layabout budgers living off the rest of society, another lie, the vast majority of public servents are as hardworking as any other Australians.
Then its the absurdity of the virtue of small business, the so called backbone of our society. Small business, the true rip off artiest if ever there was one, stealing billions from their fellow Australians through the great taxation rip off. Not satisfied with this theft of billions from the economy, they then proceed to rip off their own employees, often failing their legal obligation to pay correct wages and honor conditions. Small business the savior of society

When are the lefties going to stop pushing the nonsense that they are even competent economic managers.

The OECD countries have had decades building up the debt that has got them in trouble, Federal labor has taken a 5% (of GDP) Credit to a more than 10% debt in 4 years, a record by anyone's standard. If one includes the record state debts left by Labor, Australia is far further towards where Britain is after a decade of Labour.

That Aus is not in trouble like Greece is because Labor hasn't had time to max out the credit card yet, but with promises of nearly $20bn p.a. of unfunded expenditure, they are trying hard.

Butcher first mate I am not having a go at you.
But you are fighting shadows that do not exist.
I am convinced you just do not get it/understand our place in the international scheme of things.
Politics is not so simple you are being hooked by hooks that exist only in Abbott,s head.
SM, your ring master, is up to his arm pits in the left overs from yesterdays Bull sales.