individual,

Who do you think stands behind all the wonderful men who trot about nation building. They wouldn't last a moment if they didn't have the reinforcing support of women...just ask Johnny Howard.

And another thing.

Western feminism has merely fallen into line with the male-orientated way. Real feminism is more notable in the strength derived from women in the so-called developing world, where whole societies depend on the overarching industry and organisation of women for their societies to run smoothly - at least, that's how it was before mechanisation and monoculture moved in and usurped women's role in agriculture.

So yes, men are inventive and warrior-like which is great for nation-building, but it's only the outer shell of human society - something that's always glossed over - as if the internal machinations and contribution of women is something men can do without.

Poirot,
I knew women are one of the two pillars of society. My question was re feminists.
What it really boils down to is that men can't do without women & women can't do without men.
The gays & feminists can't do without normal peoples' support structure designed for all.

'I wonder why men are so puffed up about their lack of emotionality.'

It takes years of skill and practice Poirot. You get told you're not allowed to cry since age 2 and you go from there. Of course these days society's gone the other way, when nobody is allowed on TV or in the sporting arena without crying a river of tears and wailing over their new found friends from their 'journey' or doing it for their team mates, or for Straya.

People look really ugly when they're blubbering. I was more comfortable with the world when people kept that sh1t to themselves. Or at least when they left it for things that warranted a tear.

But, generally, one sex is taught to use emotion as a bargaining tool (and I've often told girlfriends that crying is blackmail), while the other sex is taught the opposite, to show no emotion, to be hard as nails because respect comes that way.

So mommy says 'wait until your father comes home', and dad lashes out a beating with a belt, as that's his job. Which is a Metaphor for how society works really.

So men object and think it's a bit much when Mommy turns around and labels Daddy a sadist when she's left all the discipline to him in the first place.

I am aware this can be turned around on its head when it comes to the nurturing side of life, but I see the exact same guarding of territory around home management and care of children with women dissing male efforts. They cant even plan a wedding, and every advert selling women's shite takes the piss out of how men are just useless bumbling fools in the domestic realm, and the smart woman saves the day, with the help of the latest product of course.

Poirot I have NEVER given you grounds to think like that.
Another poster flogs me for my entrenched belief in Womens liberation, not Womens Domination!
Ludwig quite true woman is every thing bad in politics she is as you say Hoully ok too.
Men must have good manners open doors and a whole lot more.
But must NEVER expect the same in women?
I remain convinced only the very best,both sex,s should be in politics.
Can ANY WOMAN look at both Bishops and that lass from the Q and A collapse and tell me that is wrong?
I will not ever give up my views so others can exist free of judgment.
Poirot consider your including me in your post, on what grounds?
Ever find, now be honest, men you dislike, besides me? for my comments.

Poirot,
Who stands behind Julia Gillard then ? Another feminist o that boyfriend of hers ? Is he there for real or just for show ?