Butch,
Sorry to be part of sidetracking your thread, but I think it is important to speak up when one sees blatantly incorrect statements.

For too long we allow the bleeding hearts and lefties get away with potraying the illegals as poor, inocent victims, when in fact they lack moral character. They get here by lies and deceit.

They will only stop coming when we make it not worth the effort or risk.

Banjo wrote: Crime: An act punishable by law

Therefore it is a crime if a non citizen enters Aus without a valid visa.

and I need a medal for patience.

Dear Banjo,

Your logic is faulty. Crime is an act punishable by law. If a non-citizen without a valid visa enters Australia it is not an act punishable by law. He or she may be put in administration detention. As is clear on the website that is not a punishment. You don’t need a medal for patience. I do. There is no punishment by law for a non-citizen entering Australia without a valid visa.

If boat people commit a crime they should be charged by law. However, merely being a boat person is not a crime.

Dear Belly,

You and everybody else are entitled to your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but no one is entitled to their own facts. Administration detention is, according to the government, not a punishment, and being in Australia without proper documentation is not a crime.

Crimes are specified in the code of laws, and being in Australia without documents is not a crime. Although various people have disagreed with me no one has cited an instance of anyone who has been prosecuted or punished for being in Australia with no documents. Deportation and administration detention are not punishment. The reason that no one has been prosecuted is they have not committed a crime.

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:
• (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
• (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

It would be a violation of article 14 to make seeking asylum whether with or without documents a crime. Australia is a signatory to the UDHR.

Dear Banjo,

The Migration Act 1958 allows for entry to Australia
without a visa for the purpose of seeking asylum.

Plus, the right to enter without prior authorisation
is protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
(1948) which Australia helped to draft.

cont'd ...

The following link may clarify a few things:

http://www.julianburnside.com.au/myths2.htm

my mother in law who helped build this country by labouring on a farm, having children in sheds with no electricity , looking after a child with down syndrome with little to no Government support and then had to wait months in hopital to get a bed in a nursing home. I should of put her on a dinghy for the navy to rescue. She would of been treated much better. Labour certainly could not give a stuff about the elderly. No wonder those who can still think don't vote for them.

@Lexi & Co,

Good old Lexi, always finding some higher source whose act of committing their name to something makes it sacrosanct (at least in Lexi’s mind!).

But sometimes it is wise to consider some of her sources past statements before swallowing their pronouncements holus bolus.

This is what Mr Burnside had to say on another issue, just recently:
“Well look I do not believe Hicks was a terrorist”
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3567053.htm

On the other hand, this is what Mr. Hicks diary says:
”Hicks kept a sort of diary of his exploits at al-Qaida training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan…. The 30-page notebook was compiled between 2000-2002, during Hicks' training in northern Pakistan with the Lashkar-e-Toiba (Army of the Pure), a major Islamist militant organization (and recognized terrorist group ) …. the notebook contains instructions for the use of rocket-propelled grenades, simple tips for cleaning wounds or treating dysentery in the field, map reading and notes on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare. There are also sketches of the circuitry of warheads and the mechanism of a sniper rifle's telescopic sight. Elsewhere, Hicks describes methods for penetrating the security details of "VIPs" during assassination attempts and records the details of weapons like the Heckler & Koch submachine gun and the M-16 assault rifle …Parts of the notebook are devoted to anti-Jewish invective and a paraphrased hadith (sayings and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad) concerning the destruction of the Jews prior to the Day of Judgment.”
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/trend-lines/1685/was-david-hicks-a-real-terrorist-after-all

Hmmm, I’ll let others draw their own conclusions.