Belly,
I noted very early in this thread that you did not want a debate on AGW so have avoided it. I am sure there will be plenty opportunity for us to both air our views on AGW.

It is frustating to see the obvious that people will starve in large numbers in some countries. When it has been shown that birthrates can be dramaticly lowered without the need for draconian means. Not only that but poor families and developing countries will both benefit economicly from reducing the birthrates.

The link you gave is all UN information about population, so the UN and governments are aware but reluctant to do anything much about it.

If we take our own country as an example, as our population grows we will require more and more food to feed our population. That will mean there is less for export and less to give in food aid to countries that are in famine. It is a pity really when it could have been prevented.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/pop952.doc.htm
Bazz this is not it, however if you goggle world population you will find it.
This is UN stuff and worth a read.
Evidence seems to say even in food shortages and raised deaths we will produce more than we see die.
Banjo, global warming, well if you are right, man has nothing to do with it, nothing at all, it will still impact on our future, even if we can do nothing about it.
I never wanted it to blind us to this problem, one the evidence is unquestioned on.
I now take back some views on oil, the chart hopefully Bazz will find and post is as I said, and clearly written by what I see as my opponent.
It talks of 70% needed renewable energy and limits the possibility to 50%
And warns of a 50 year recession! starting now.
I have opened many threads looking for it again but hard work.
We one day will be confronted by a threat, not the numbers, that is obvious, but who will fix it.
A Dictatorship is a possibility believe me a world one.
I now return to searching for that link

http://www.businessinsider.com/an-optimistic-energygdp-forecast-to-2050-based-on-data-since-1820-2012-7
Bazz this I think is it, at least haveing seen it, knowing I read it and that it in part supports your views not mine.
I post it in good faith, if it turns out not to be will try again.
The issue is complex and massive.
I hope people do not let my thoughts about future world dictatorship put me in the rat bag basket.
I , increasingly, fear our inability to actually get things done.
World hunger financial reforms/accountability, wars and privately owned country's.
Powers of veto stopping the UN from being other than useless.
I fear wars and hate in religions names and in the end think matters such as this one, like it or not.
Will lead us away from freedom to one world government.
And after ten generations, see North Korea, no one will know any better.

Belly,
Thanks for the link. I had a problem with the site, it kept
reloading. However I had the authors blog at the top so I went there
and the article is at the top.

http://ourfiniteworld.com/

Cannot read it now as I am off to Dural for the home brew meeting.
I have read Gail's writing previously and she has a very good
reputation for accurate concise writing.
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The people of many countries are literally un-governable, Australia included. Why else would we have a hung parliament ?
When half the population see sense but the other half can't or refuses to then you have an ungovernable people.
The growth mentality must be nipped in the butt if we want to have at least a glimmer of hope for mankind. Don't the pollution pictures from China send out a loud enough message ?
Are people actually more than stupid ? Technology was hailed as the great saviour but now it becomes evident that it is the opposite because people don't use it for the right reason. I see it everyday here. When computers first appeared everyone breathed a sigh of relief because it was to eliminate paper work. Bureaucracy however, hell-bent on not giving up it's lurks & perks has turned the superfluity of paper into an evil trail that follows us everywhere.

Interestingly enough, individual, China is going through the same industrial pollution as did Britain 200 years ago. It's only the growth of bureaucracy and government control that allowed Britain and Europe(and the West in general)to have their industry and their environment as well (their cake and eat it too) Albeit, the original Industrial Revolution sprang up amidst libertarianism and laissez faire, while China's is guided by strong-arm government with a much greater population.

Australia is eminently governable because we have fashioned a social democracy which rewards the drones with a modicum of comfort and addicts them to always desiring more ("because they're worth it"). They will overlook any number of of shady bureaucratic encumbrances as long as it doesn't interfere with their basic comfort and petty aspiration.....which is why they tend not to take to the streets at the drop of a hat.