It is my honestly held view, one I intend to hold on to, csteele comes loaded with a defensive slant.
And a wish to support, even against truth, those of the middle east and others of the Muslim faith.
Even if they are not under attack.
Very often we are told we are biased or bigoted, even blind.
To say the world is not over populated, by inference can not be, is to posses at least one of those charges.
And as every farmer understands, different paddocks have different carrying capacity.
Given India's number of people per htc this country would see deaths in the millions.
csteele you, if you wish, can continue to insult my views.
However do not neglect to take on board very few, agree with much of what you say.
If humanity is ever to become one, together we must work to limit population, limit hunger and want.
I see in your view ample evidence to say we should stop all aid throw our hands up and say, if there is no problem, let this mother nature thing take its course.

Dear Banjo,

The Chinese famine was the reason for my time frame of 50 years.

I will concede though that the sub-continent Bangladeshi Famine of 1974 (1973-77) which claimed over a million lives was within this period.

Yet this occurred during a time when average food grain production was at a local peak.

While monsoonal flooding was the catalyst the reasons for the extent of the famine were seen as stemming from distribution failures;

“The first failure was internal: the specific configuration of the state rationing system and the market resulted in speculative hoarding by farmers and traders and a consequent rise in prices. The second failure was external: the US had withheld 2.2 million tonnes of food aid to 'ensure that it abandoned plans to try Pakistani war criminals'. And a year later, when Bangladesh was faced with severe monsoons and imminent floods, the then US Ambassador to Bangladesh made it abundantly clear that the US probably could not commit food aid because of Bangladesh's policy of exporting jute to Cuba. And by the time Bangladesh succumbed to the American pressure, and stopped jute exports to Cuba, the food aid in transit was "too late for famine victims".”
Wikipedia

Dear Belly,

You wrote; “I see in your view ample evidence to say we should stop all aid throw our hands up and say, if there is no problem, let this mother nature thing take its course.”

Most certainly not. Doomsday predictions about over population are only credible if we ignore the facts and are prepared to believe we are 'unthinking' which I do not. There has been a great deal of work done and lessons learnt on how to support the growing number of people on this planet without subjecting tens of millions of them to famines on an annual basis.

Though I am the first to see unfettered globalisation as often destructive the freeing of markets has allowed the two great population centres of the world, China and India, to become more than self sufficient in food production. It would be hard to see a famine in China occurring again, in my lifetime at least, due to the reserves the nation holds.

Africa by rights really should be the world's bread basket. With planning, assistance, investment, education and insistence on good governance it may well be so in the future. Its problems are not insurmountable for thinking people. Get these things right and population issues will sort themselves out

Hi csteele,
I, for one, do agree with your thinking on this issue - I believe it is a matter of lifestyles & organisation, not of population. This is in accordance with my post of 26.7

I do agree with Belly however that there are not many who care to think this way - in fact who feel threatened by it. I would like to connect more if you are interested - perhaps via @landrights4all on Twitter?

http://www.populationelephant.com/PEQuotes.html
The link above gives support for my views from great men of our past recent and long ago.
I, very often ,fear the edge cutters, those I even speak of here, who seemingly are against any action, on any issue.
I see csteele,with certainty in your post evidence as I pointed out early in the thread, humanity is stopped from achieving anything, by those who will one day, force a dictator ship on us all.
How else can humanity end hunger wars any international problem, we white ant every effort to fix anything.

If one looks at the countries which are overpopulated, they indicate indeed that "sex is the opera of the poor." Their standards of living and hope for a future need to be lifted.

The West needs to tame itself from the lust of conspicuous consumption. Ironically, it is often those who have more than everything they need, who complain about population control and limited resources.

Then then there is "big business" along with shareholders, who fall into mourning if their sales of latest products, cars, white goods, etc. don't meet projected numbers. Also, as told to me, many products have "built in obsolescence."

Perhaps research in hand with with business should look into ways of making cheap alternative appliances that can be used (perhaps with solar power) in third world countries ... and by those environmentally conscious elsewhere.