A recent thread about gun laws has sparked me to post this thread.

We have laws controlling guns, we also have laws that restrict all drinkers from buying more than two drinks at a time.

We have laws that restrict entry to clubs/ pubs after a certain hour of the day/night.

All of these laws have these two things in common.

1. They are there to control the 1%, or less, who are out of control.

2. They encroach on the other 99%'s rights.

Now while I have no problem with some gun control, safe storage, safe usage, the laws simply go too far and restrict the rights of many decent citizens.

Why should anyone be denied the righ to own a LEGAL gun, provided they store it correctly? That's simply not the case.

Also, farmers are expected to have their guns stowed, bolts removed and stored separately with the amo.

Yea right, just ask that wild dog to hang around for a while.

Restricting drinks.
My wife and I recently went to the races with our daughter.

I went to the bar to buy them a bottle of bubbly, and, to my disgust, I was refused a beer for myself as a bottle of bubbly was considered 6 drinks.

I was appalled as I have never been a heavy drinker , never blown any higher than .01 at an RBT and never been chipped by police while I have been out.

Simply another case where the laws control the rat bags and punish decent people.

rehctub,

Actually I'm beginning to warm to your offended sensibilities. It must be trying to be so "decent" amid all those ratbags.

Can't you see that the authorities are one step ahead of you. They've obviously encountered mild-mannered fellas like yourself who, after downing their beer, get stuck into the bubbly, then don their wives race-day hats and go around kissing all the jockeys.

(There should be laws against that sort of thing : )

This is the 21'st century and it's not about minority issues. It's about control of everyone. What you say, what you do, what you think.
Wont be long now before everyone gets a dose of the smarts and crushes this alternative agenda

Poirot...Can't you see that the authorities are one step ahead of you

Not at all, they have simply taken the easy option.

Stop everyone and you also stop the rat bags, well, at least that's thier aim.

It still doesn't mean the law makers have got it right.

Not sure I belong here.
Rechtub takes offense at me.
See I think differently than him.
Bush bloke as a matter of fact.
I always had a gun near by, no threat to anyone.
I just did not care enough to keep mine post Howard.
But would not change a thing, he acted well.
It is hundreds of thousands of Rectubs in America, talking of their rights.
That lets mentally ill, oh yes they must be, get 6.000 rounds of ammunition and murder 12 harm near 60.
Are we free to kill? be killed? well we know criminals can get guns, always.
But why have them in every home, why have them around during domestic disputes.
Rechtub has views on unemployed social welfare receivers unionists Labor voters back packers any one concerned about just about anything.
This week public housing folk get the cane.
I am glad I think differently bloke.

Belly, you're such a toss at times.

Do you honestly believe that I support what goes on in America. Also, remember one very important difference between us and the US, that being that many of their states have the death penalty. So many of these would be cowboys get the chair.

How many gun related crimes did we see here in the 70's and 80's mate, when guns were openly used by many.

And what about the gang shootings in Sydney and Melbourne in recent years, the gun laws did nothing to stop them hey!

Criminals will always find guns, mostly illegal ones at that.

BTW, are you aware that one can't buy ammo without a current gun license, I have no problem with that.

As I have said, but you failed to acknowledge (YET AGAIN), I have no problem with strict controls, I simply have a problem with denying ones right to have a gun.

But, as usually is the case with the likes of you, you don't like to let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Continued...

Belly, continued by Rehctub.
As for my view on unions, do you think the way they waste members funds is acceptable?

Do you think it's acceptable for a leading official, to publicly go on a personal vendetta to break the back of one of our flag ship companies?

Welfare, do you thinks it's right that mums and dads be allowed to waste money that was gifted to them to provide food, shelter and clothing for children?

Labor voters. Do you honestly think many out there who voted labor are happy with what they have helped to achieve?

28% was the last poll I saw.

Backpackers, don't have a problem with them. I simply correctly stated that they now use Australia as a cash cow. In fact, many simply can't believe the wages and conditions we have here. Unsustainable mind you, but still unbelievable to many.

Finally, public housing. I don't have anything against anyone living in public housing, I do however think this valuable asset needs to be better managed, but, like most things labor has anything to do with, it is full of waste.

I don't hate you Belly, I just wish you wouldnt be such a drama queen at times, off trying to distort the facts, as usual.

I will await your answers, unless of cause you run and hide, as is usually the case.

Time to man up mate! Now is not the time to run and hide.

I am such a toss at times?
Well my views on the filth who wasted union funds are here, in a thread I started.
I again call for 20 years imprisonment and repayment from the things they or family own homes down to under pants, ok?
Abolition of that union and membership who wish given one years free membership in the same union QLD has mine!
Mate are you aware you are not the only one who can insult.
I could go ten minutes not using the same one twice.
We do not need that here.
Can you think with me here, in the next few lines?
I think far differently than you, do I have that right?
Does that make me a fool or evil.
Rechtub fair dinkum no cheating, no goggling
Who was known in politics as the Doc, who was the last Liberal Minister for Aboriginal affairs.
Mate why am I not saying you are what you call me?
One by one I again take a different view, on every issue I highlighted above than you, with pride.
Self confidence is of no use if it is miss placed.

Belly, I have no problem with you having your opinion, my gripe is when you accuse me of being a person against everything.

I also note that apart from the union waste, you have failed to address the many issue that I responded to, in response to your implying my beliefs, like welfare waste, backpackers and public housing.

It would be nice to hear your views in these very important issues.

I know they are off topic, but in my defense, I am only replying to the accusations you made about me in your post.

rehctub,

One gets weary of your whinging and moaning. Don't you ever tire of the mantle of the Hyacinth Bucket of OLO.

Here's some real toffs in action - just think yourself lucky you "aren't' born to rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDPTC-yAmgo&feature=related

Rechtub sorry but based only one your posts.
NOTHING ELSE
Including a thread saying back packers took jobs and paid no tax.
Your constant harping about food stamps.
I am unable to retract my opinions.
Here you slander me, a once still would like to be, sporting shooter.
For agreeing with gun control under Howard, for saying *it is people with views like yours*
Who fuel the gun protection laws in America.
America, its pro gun culture, has blood on its hands.
Because SOME put their right to own a gun before the national interests.
I Rechtub will continue to remind you your views are not the only ones.

Poirot, since when is defending ones position whinging.

Belly, back packer working habits have changed since FWA laws were introduced.

As for food stamps, I have never suggested them, never will, you must have me mistaken with someone else.

As for gun control, I have no problem with gun laws, just gun ownership, nothing more.

If you wish to ban ownership, Do it for all, not some. Still won't stop criminals getting hold of (mostly illegal) guns, but may make some of you feel all warm and fuzzy.

As for American pro gun lobbyist, they are a different breed and, luckily, we only have a hand full of this types here.

Another point worth considering is the apparent increase in gun crimes here since the laws were introduced. Not sure about the numbers, would be worth a little research.

So you can have your opinions, no problem, they can differ from mine, no problem, but please, when accusing me of doing something, please get your facts right.

I don't support food stamps

I don't have an issue with people living in public housing

I don't have a problem with gun control.

Rehctub, in response to your opening post::

I appreciate your concerns. I can certainly understand the scale of your offended sensibilities.

I also have highly offended sensibilities regarding the law.

But I guess that’s where our similarity ends.

I don’t have a problem with the law being designed to control the most irresponsible 1% even if it does reduce the rights of the other 99%. I think that if you let that 1% run amok, our average per-capita freedom and security will be reduced considerably more than it is by laws designed to control them.

My big gripe is that all too often there is a big difference between what is written in law and what we are officially told applies, and what is actually policed!!

We really don’t know exactly where we stand with all manner of laws!! And we can’t find out, because if we inquire, we are told the official line, not the real situation!

This is the way of it with speed limits and most road rules, to mention just one example which affects me constantly.

For goodness sake, we need to have confidence that all laws apply at face value and that they apply equally to all and equally in all areas across the country!!

We don’t have this. FAR from it. And there seems to be just about no desire from anyone to make it happen.

THIS is the thing that really pisses me off about the law!!